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Had a discussion with someone about the Jump Shot, and specifically the wording in the EPA/WEPF rules.
Scenario: Player plays the break off shot, AFTER hitting an object ball the Cue Ball lifts off the playing surface and proceeds to go over some balls.
Matey had the view that the rules stipulate that anytime the cue ball lifts off the playing surface and goes over any ball, it is a foul.
My view is that an object ball had already been legitimately hit so no jump shot.
After looking at the rules, it is not that clear (no surprise there
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EPA/WEPF Rules
Standard Fouls
K22 - Accidental Jump shot, miscue, or when forcing the cue ball to a cushion and the rebound jumps a ball. (If the Cue ball leaves the bed of the table and misses an Object ball that would have been struck had the Cue Ball not left the table on an otherwise identical shot, the Cue Ball is deemed to have jumped over that object ball). A break shot that results in the pack being jumped will be deemed to be not a Fair Break (see 4b). Also note M5 serious fouls.
Serious Standard Fouls
M5 - Deliberate jump shot caused by elevating the cue on the shot, and forcing the cue ball to rebound from the bed of the table and causing the Cue Ball to Jump over any ball. (If the Cue ball leaves the bed of the table and misses an Object ball that would have been struck had the Cue Ball not left the table on an otherwise identical shot, the Cue Ball is deemed to have jumped over that object ball) Also note K22 standard fouls.
EPA/WEPF Guidance to Referees
Accidental Jump Shot
If a Player elevates the Cue in order to impart backspin, and as a result the Cue Ball jumps a ball, then this will not be considered accidental, a serious foul must be awarded.
The cue ball leaving the bed of the table and making first contact with the reverse side of an object ball, that it would have struck had it not left the table on an otherwise identical shot, is not a jump shot.
If the cue ball leaves the bed of the table, jumps over an object ball, hits the cushion, and returns to make first contact with that object ball, then a jump shot has been played.
My point is that no where does it say that it is NOT a jump shot if the Cue Ball had already hit a Object Ball and then subsequently lifts off the playing surface.
In the Snooker rules they do define the caveats.
Snooker Sec 2.20 Jump Shot
A jump shot is made when the cue-ball passes over any part of an object ball, whether touching it in the process or not, except:
(a) when the cue-ball first strikes one object ball and then jumps over another ball;
(b) when the cue-ball jumps and strikes an object ball, but does not land on the far side of that ball;
(c) when, after striking an object ball lawfully, the cue-ball jumps over that ball after hitting a cushion or another ball.
Anyone's thought's, gratefully received
Scenario: Player plays the break off shot, AFTER hitting an object ball the Cue Ball lifts off the playing surface and proceeds to go over some balls.
Matey had the view that the rules stipulate that anytime the cue ball lifts off the playing surface and goes over any ball, it is a foul.
My view is that an object ball had already been legitimately hit so no jump shot.
After looking at the rules, it is not that clear (no surprise there
)EPA/WEPF Rules
Standard Fouls
K22 - Accidental Jump shot, miscue, or when forcing the cue ball to a cushion and the rebound jumps a ball. (If the Cue ball leaves the bed of the table and misses an Object ball that would have been struck had the Cue Ball not left the table on an otherwise identical shot, the Cue Ball is deemed to have jumped over that object ball). A break shot that results in the pack being jumped will be deemed to be not a Fair Break (see 4b). Also note M5 serious fouls.
Serious Standard Fouls
M5 - Deliberate jump shot caused by elevating the cue on the shot, and forcing the cue ball to rebound from the bed of the table and causing the Cue Ball to Jump over any ball. (If the Cue ball leaves the bed of the table and misses an Object ball that would have been struck had the Cue Ball not left the table on an otherwise identical shot, the Cue Ball is deemed to have jumped over that object ball) Also note K22 standard fouls.
EPA/WEPF Guidance to Referees
Accidental Jump Shot
If a Player elevates the Cue in order to impart backspin, and as a result the Cue Ball jumps a ball, then this will not be considered accidental, a serious foul must be awarded.
The cue ball leaving the bed of the table and making first contact with the reverse side of an object ball, that it would have struck had it not left the table on an otherwise identical shot, is not a jump shot.
If the cue ball leaves the bed of the table, jumps over an object ball, hits the cushion, and returns to make first contact with that object ball, then a jump shot has been played.
My point is that no where does it say that it is NOT a jump shot if the Cue Ball had already hit a Object Ball and then subsequently lifts off the playing surface.
In the Snooker rules they do define the caveats.
Snooker Sec 2.20 Jump Shot
A jump shot is made when the cue-ball passes over any part of an object ball, whether touching it in the process or not, except:
(a) when the cue-ball first strikes one object ball and then jumps over another ball;
(b) when the cue-ball jumps and strikes an object ball, but does not land on the far side of that ball;
(c) when, after striking an object ball lawfully, the cue-ball jumps over that ball after hitting a cushion or another ball.
Anyone's thought's, gratefully received
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