Deliberate fouls and serious fouls...

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

Deliberate fouls and serious fouls...

what do you mean there is no push shot in english 8 ball?

[Slimbob]

From the rules.
Push Shots and Double Hits
(1) Definitions: Most shots commonly known as "Push
Shots" in the game of "Snooker" are allowed in
the game of Eight - Ball Pool. Generally, any shot
played with speed will not be deemed to be a
Push Shot regardless of the fact that the cue tip m
ay have come into contact with the Cue Ball more
than once.
(2) Exceptions that are Standard Fouls:-
(a) When, during the playing of a shot, the tip of t
he cue strikes the Cue Ball twice and the
referee is able to actually see each contact.
(b) When, during the playing of a shot, a player pla
ys the cue so slowly through the Cue Ball that
the cue tip remains in contact with the Cue Ball so
as to be visibly pushing it along.
(c) When the Cue Ball is played into a touching Obje
ct Ball. {See
(R)
Touching Balls
}

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

Deliberate fouls and serious fouls...

thanks. what set of rules are they for though? and why are push shots allowed?

[Londonlad147]

thanks. what set of rules are they for though? and why are push shots allowed?

That quote is from World Rules.

[Londonlad147]

In World Rules you can also play into a touching ball if you're touching two or more balls!

S. Touching Balls
1. General
a. If the Cue Ball is touching an Object Ball, the player is obliged to "Play Away" from that
Object Ball at an angle of more than 90 degrees. (That is, play the shot without causing
the Cue Ball to make any initial further contact with that Object Ball)
b. If, when playing away from a touching ball, the touching ball rocks or moves without
being contacted further, but simply because the Cue Ball is no longer there, no penalty
will apply.
2. When Colours have been decided:-
a. Playing away from a touching Object Ball of the player's own Colour:- The instant a
player plays away from a touching Object Ball of the player's own Colour, the player is
deemed to have played that ball. Therefore, the player needs to then only pot a ball or
cause any ball to strike a cushion to fulfil all the requirements of a Legal Shot.
b. Playing away from a touching Object Ball of the opponent's Colour:- The player must
play away from the touching ball and then meet all the requirements of a Legal Shot.
c.
i. Playing away from the touching Eight Ball when "On" the Eight Ball:- The player
must play away from the touching Eight Ball and then need only cause any ball
to strike a cushion to fulfil the requirements of a Legal Shot.
ii. Playing away from the touching Eight Ball when not "On" the Eight Ball.:- The
player must play away from the touching Eight Ball and then meet all the
requirements of a Legal Shot.
d. Playing away from two or more touching Object Balls:-
i. If any of the touching Object Balls are of the player's Colour, the player will be
deemed to have played away if the player plays away from any one of the
touching balls of the player's Colour. That is, the player may play into any of the
other touching balls. The player needs then to only pot a ball or cause any ball to
strike a cushion to fulfil the requirements of a Legal Shot.
ii. If none of the touching Object Balls are of the player’s coloured group, the
player must play away from all the touching balls and then meet all the
requirements of a Legal Shot.
3. When Colours have yet to be decided:-
a. Playing away from a touching Coloured Ball:- The instant a player plays away from a
touching Coloured Ball the player is deemed to have played that ball. Therefore, the
player needs to then only pot a ball or cause any ball to strike a cushion to fulfil all the
requirements of a Legal Shot.
b. Playing away from a touching Eight Ball:- The player must play away from the touching
Eight Ball and then meet all the requirements of a Legal Shot.
c. Playing away from two or more touching Object Balls:- If the player plays away from any
of the touching Coloured Balls the player is deemed to have played that ball. That is, the
player may play into any of the other touching Object Balls. The player needs to then
only pot a ball or cause any ball to strike a cushion to meet all the requirements of a
Legal Shot.

[eeitcry]

heres my opinion on deliberate foul:

Iwe play the World 8 Ball Pool rules in my Club.
A number of competitors who had played different pool rules played the world pool rules for the first time.
The big debate came about when a deliberate foul was played

There seems to be a consensus that whoever plays a deliberate foul should be punished with more than just 2 shots.
I don’t mind the current rules & enjoy the tactics side of the game, but I can see where some people might feel aggrieved
Surely there should be more punishment for the guy who plays the deliberate foul, you would be hard pressed to find a sport where the player who commits the deliberate foul and gets away with it.
In basketball deliberate foul punishable by 2 free throws at basket, rugby player gets 10 mins sin-bin , Formula1 10sec pit stop etc..
I have emailed the WEPF regarding this, but I doubt the rule will be changed

[danam1]

Playing a really good deliberate foul can win you the frame thus meaning you have out "tacticted"your opponent. If your opponent isn't good enough to play deliberate fouls to the same effect that's not your problem, hence, you win the frame and most likely the match! If these people want to play world rules they need to understand that DF's are part of the game and need to learn to play them themselves.
Technically DF's are leagal so why punish them anymore?

[Slimbob]

People new to WR always go through this thought process. After a bit though you just accept the rules and use them to your advantage.
If you think of it not as a 'deliberate foul' but a 'tactical foul' it doesn't seem so bad.
Our League plays WR but I run a singles league where we all play BB rules, all the players prefer playing BB where there is no DF.
In BB you have the 'skill shot' which sometimes is an unplanned 'flukeshot', that's not really fair either.

[Master Blaster]

People new to WR always go through this thought process. After a bit though you just accept the rules and use them to your advantage.
If you think of it not as a 'deliberate foul' but a 'tactical foul' it doesn't seem so bad.
Our League plays WR but I run a singles league where we all play BB rules, all the players prefer playing BB where there is no DF.
In BB you have the 'skill shot' which sometimes is an unplanned 'flukeshot', that's not really fair either.

BB is much fairer. The concept of a deliberate foul is anathema to all snooker players, it's legalised cheating. It's within the rules so there we go but the sooner BB overtakes and replaces WR the better. EPA have leverage over pool but it won't always be this way. One day hopefully.........The games may have been a bit long winded but at least old rules had some moral efficacy. Some non-affiliated leagues still prefer them.

[Slimbob]

Like I say, I play both but prefer BB because you don't tend to have too many long drawn out frames.
It's more of a potters game.
Old rules EPA? No, never again. Fudgers paradise!
If I'm in a bar and someone wants to play old rules I don't bother, would rather not play.

[Master Blaster]

Like I say, I play both but prefer BB because you don't tend to have too many long drawn out frames.
It's more of a potters game.
Old rules EPA? No, never again. Fudgers paradise!
If I'm in a bar and someone wants to play old rules I don't bother, would rather not play.

I dislike the DF so much that I won't play EPA now, it just gives poor players a way to win a frame, folk who couldn't pot a bloody long blue on a snooker table. I'd rather play 9-ball; the fun element is much larger than EPA which I just regard as a kiddie's table anyway. 9-ball rules are much fairer as well.