Rules Guidance - EPA Old Rules

[cgriffiths6]

Hi I wonder if someone can offer me some guidance. Our league still plays EPA old rules, and had a situation last night that caused uproar.!

Following a foul, the player with ball in hand, aligned the cue ball with the shaft of the cue. The Ref called foul.

I have never seen this called before, and in world rules, under the section playing from baulk, it clearly states that this is allowed. However there is no definition in EPA old rules.

The nearest there is the following under fouls - K.Striking the cue ball with any part of the cue other than the tip.

My view is aligning the cue ball with the shaft is not "Striking" Can anyone else give me their thoughts

Regards Charlie

[DeanH]

seems very harsh to me, I am sure nearly everyone will accept that the player was NOT attempting a shot (strike) but was adjusting the placement of the cue ball.
As you say rule 5(k) says "Striking" and also that this term is not officially defined in the rules.
These old EPA rules are renowned for be full of holes and interpretation differences.
What did the ref say? What happened?
Who won the punch-up out in the car park?

[cgriffiths6]

It was a top of the table clash, and over the years have had a healthy rivalry with each other, but after much commotion and what I thought would end up in a punch up in the car park.. lol The refs decision was overturned and the frame was continued to play. We proceeded to win the frame. However the results sheet was not signed and they will be lodging an appeal.

[DeanH]

It was a top of the table clash, and over the years have had a healthy rivalry with each other, but after much commotion and what I thought would end up in a punch up in the car park.. lol The refs decision was overturned and the frame was continued to play. We proceeded to win the frame. However the results sheet was not signed and they will be lodging an appeal.

ah, no punchup

did that one frame make any major difference to the end result?
"lodge an appeal"
who can say what would have happened if the foul had stood !

anyway, welcome to TSF and good luck in your league

[Neil Taperell]

Lodging an appeal .....good grief ........get over it .

Sounds very childish to me .

[DeanH]

Lodging an appeal .....good grief ........get over it .

Sounds very childish to me .

welcome to the UK pool night adventure :biggrin:

[cgriffiths6]

Yes we were 4-2 down at the time, and ended up winning 5-4, but the atmosphere ended so sour it didn't feel like a win.

[billabong]

In Blackball rules, it's a foul to move the ball with the shaft, following a foul.

as there were times when a player would position the ball with a part of the shaft so near the tip, that

others claimed a shot had been played ( i.e the edge of the tip had contacted the cueball ).

Easier to say it's ball in hand, and you place it with your hand only. .

[Dave Walton]

Yes we were 4-2 down at the time, and ended up winning 5-4, but the atmosphere ended so sour it didn't feel like a win.

It would only be a foul if the tip contacted the cue ball. The cue ball isnt in play untill the tip makes contact therefore you can position the ball with your hand or shaft of the cue.

[danam1]

I'm not saying who's right or who's wrong but I always thought the referees decision was final?

[DeanH]

Rules Guidance - EPA Old Rules

in pro snooker maybe
...
but not in pub league pool !:biggrin:

often it is those that shout the loudest often think they are right (when usually they are wrong :wink

in snooker rules it does states the referee decision is final but not seen that in pool rules

[Londonlad147]

Even so, Dean. that doesn't preclude the player from querying a decision of the referee in snooker.

[Dave Walton]

I'm not saying who's right or who's wrong but I always thought the referees decision was final?

Its supposed to be

[Dave Walton]

in pro snooker maybe
...
but not in pub league pool !:biggrin:

often it is those that shout the loudest often think they are right (when usually they are wrong :wink

in snooker rules it does states the referee decision is final but not seen that in pool rules

Its the rule in the league I play in

[danam1]

Its the rule in the league I play in

It is in WR too but I'm not familiar with old EPA rules