Rules Guidance - EPA Old Rules

[Siz]

I used to play old EPA, and unless the rules have changed, this is not a foul. Unlike in American pool where it is a foul, in UK cue sports using the shaft to adjust the cb position has always been acceptable (perhaps evolving from the practice in Billiards - watch any game of Billiards on Youtube and see how much players do this).

It sounds to me that the ref has just got it wrong, incorrectly interposing a rule from a different discipline.

It is sensible to operate on the basis of 'the referee's decision is final' while the match is in progress - it would be chaos otherwise. But it would seem quite reasonable for there to be a process where the result could be later overturned on appeal in this sort of circumstance, with the possibility of a rematch of some sort.

[DeanH]

I used to play old EPA, and unless the rules have changed, this is not a foul. Unlike in American pool where it is a foul, in UK cue sports using the shaft to adjust the cb position has always been acceptable (perhaps evolving from the practice in Billiards - watch any game of Billiards on Youtube and see how much players do this).

It sounds to me that the ref has just got it wrong, incorrectly interposing a rule from a different discipline.

It is sensible to operate on the basis of 'the referee's decision is final' while the match is in progress - it would be chaos otherwise. But it would seem quite reasonable for there to be a process where the result could be later overturned on appeal in this sort of circumstance, with the possibility of a rematch of some sort.

as has already been stated previously, in UK Black Ball rules the cue ball can only be moved by hand and a foul if moved by anything else.

[Londonlad147]

A change in Worl Rules at the start of the year has caused some confusion. It is now a loss of frame foul to play the cue ball with anything other than the tip of the cue. Before that, if a player wanted to play a DF and not really move the cue ball, it was common practice to simply touch the top of the cue ball with the shaft of the cue (near the tip). That would now lose you the frame.

However, that change has caused a lot of players to wrongly believe that any touching of the cue ball with the shaft of the cue was a LOF foul, but it is not. It is still perfectly acceptable to maneouvre the cue ball when it's hand with any part of the cue other than the tip.

[wootton05]

We play the old rules in our league; no this would never be called a foul and I don't think it is. If it ever was Im sure they would be told to grow up (In slightly different wording).

As for lodging a complaint; that is the kind of behaviour that would get you a bad reputation in the league and most teams would laugh at you for taking it so seriously.... Its a local league, it is nice to win but unless there is financial gain what is the point in being an arse.