I hate to say this but I must...

[noel]

To us all:

I have always believed strongly that we all are obliged to do what is in the best interest of the common good. Unselfishly.
I have until now always been proud of my country for it's fair and responsible and humane consciousness at home and abroad.
I never in my entire life ever imagined I could say such a thing, but in light of proceedings to begin at the Climate Summit in
Copenhagen and the realities detailed in this article, I feel quite ashamed to be a Canadian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...n-climate-deal

I will try in whatever way I am able to help correct my country's almost inexcusable failure to us all.



=o(

Noel

[Mr O]

George Monbiot is just another "warmist" scaremonger who's living depends on making us feel guilty to be alive. These loons make no secret of the fact that they'd like to see the worlds poulation reduced by 80% to save the planet. Of course this doesn't include them and theirs!
If Canada sticks two fingers up to these Marxist, misguided eco loons , bravo to them I say. The fact is, there never has been any conclusive proof that CO2 is responsible for global warming. Besides, what warming? The earth has actually cooled over the last 9 years, much to their disappointment. That's why they've been caught trying to manipulate the data, and exclude sceptics from the peer review process. look up the "climategate" scandal.
I mean come on, Al Gore the saviour of the planet?! ha ha this is a snake oil salesman who seeks to profit immensley from the whole saga. A man who lives in a 20 bedrrom mansion and probably produces more CO2 than all of us on this forum put together, what a joke

[andy carson]

good on canada i say,

if you look at history and the changing climates, uit comes and goes in cycles dependant a lot on activity from the sun, and not us lot on here.... (ok we may have a minor input into the grand scheme of things)

its all one big con dreamt up by politcally motivated (ie paid by governments ) "scientists!" so they could introduce all thes new "green" taxes onto us...


rant over, im now going to go outside and sit in my 4x4 revving the engine in the driveway for an hour whilst chomping on some oranges that arrived by plane from over 3000 miles away to try and get some bloody warmth into the atmosphere as its too god damn cold at the moment!!!

[xander]

where i think cleaning up our act is a good thing i dont think that co2 has anything to do with the temps going up we have no idea about how the climate has changed over the millions of years and all the real research ive seen shows that co2 does increase with the temp but 100s of years after
http://www.sciencebits.com/IceCoreTruth

hell the Romans used to grow grapes in the uk we can not now lol

[andy carson]

hell the Romans used to grow grapes in the uk we can not now lol

erm yes we can why are a lot of french champagne producers looking at the south east corner of the UK for new vinyards???

what about well established vinyards already here like three choirs in Newent (Gloucestershire)

[andy carson]

where i think cleaning up our act is a good thing i dont think that co2 has anything to do with the temps going up we have no idea about how the climate has changed over the millions of years and all the real research ive seen shows that co2 does increase with the temp but 100s of years after
http://www.sciencebits.com/IceCoreTruth

its well documented about a thing called the "ice Age" where most of earth was a barren wasteland of ice and snow and glaciers... (thats how a lot of the valleies throughout the world were made from retreating and melting glaciers)

also the fact that the UK once had a tropical climate on a par with an eqatorial country......

its all nautral cycles on warming and cooling and bugger all we do is going to make a blind bit of difference to it

[xander]

ok may be we do but its not really warm enough to grow them to the scale of France or as far north as the romans did ie hadrian's wall

[Qubit]

F*ck me some scary reading here.

[ADR147]

ok may be we do but its not really warm enough to grow them to the scale of France or as far north as the romans did ie hadrian's wall

the romans were far north of that.

[Cateran]

I have always believed strongly that we all are obliged to do what is in the best interest of the common good. Unselfishly.
I have until now always been proud of my country for it's fair and responsible and humane consciousness at home and abroad.
I never in my entire life ever imagined I could say such a thing, but in light of proceedings to begin at the Climate Summit in
Copenhagen and the realities detailed in this article, I feel quite ashamed to be a Canadian.

Ashamed just a little harsh, isn't it, Noel? Geez, we Canucks are a bad bunch eh? If we're not beating baby seals to death we're destroying the environment.

All joking aside, yes, I think the tar sands are a mess. I think most of the problems originate because our government was so interested in developing them that they've allowed offshore oil corporations to manage the development without much in the way of oversight.

Hopefully bringing some attention to the tar sands will make our government get involved in ensuring that they (we) don't have to spend every cent in revenue on cleaning up the mess after all the oil is gone.

[Forman]

This thread really hasnt got the type of response i expected

[ChatLag]

This thread really hasnt got the type of response i expected

This is one of the very few things in the responses I can absolutely agree.

[Krypton]

yes, Forman and ChatLag, we're in one boat...

[xander]

dont get me wrong we need to clean up our act cleaner fuels electric cars and wind and solar power and so on but we have only kept records of the whether properly since 1914 just shy of 100 years. thats 100 years out of 4.55 billion years thats such a small % how can we possibly predict anything the earth has warmed and cooled countless times and we were not even there unless the dinosaur drove cars and had cole power stations ?????? i suppose that could explain where they went lol

[magicman]

There has been so much anti-global warming propaganda by large multi-nationals and oil companies that people have become confused and weary with the contrasting swathes of information the media bombards them with. Which was entirely the large corporations goal when they started.

The truth seems hard to find amongst all the deliberately confusing scientific jargon and information the propaganda companies employ.

It boils down to this:

99% of climatologists worldwide (the only scientists we really need to listen to in this particular debate) believe that human beings have had a direct and profound negative impact on the planet and that we need to alter our ways very quickly.