What animals do you have?

[Odrl]

Dogs are a mans best friend, great creatures

I prefer a Doberman over a Rottweiler anyday even though dobes have alot worse press because of the stupid media, jeez do there annoy me at times

I just hate when people are so stereotypical of big dogs because of the media, it drives me up the twist

Exactly - you get bad owners not bad dogs.

It's like dobermans,rottweilers,pitbulls,staffys,etc etc always get bad publicity but most of them are gentle things lol

I wasn't gonna go on an anti-dog rant, but since you brought it up...

There is a big story that is dominating the Slovenian media in the last two days. Let me tell you about it...

In 2006, four bullmastiffs attacked a man on one of the streets in the capital city. It was a big story at the time. Supposedly the man was just passing by, and the attack was completely unprovoked. The owner of the dogs was an elderly woman who was completely helpless during the attack, and had no way of controlling the animals. There were a couple of bystanders who tried to intervene, but had to retreat when the dogs turned on them. One of the bystanders called the police (the victim latter claimed that the owner went into the house to call her lawyers during the attack), and they shot one of the dogs on arrival, and managed to control the other three. The victim barely survived and was hospitalized for a while, but has since made a partial recovery.

As you can imagine, it was a topic of discussion for a number of the following days or even weeks. Some people went on an anti-dog crusade, other people claimed that the dogs were not a problem if properly trained, and it was all the owners' fault. I'm sure you can imagine... The media did a little digging, and it turned out that these dogs had been involved in a number of reported incidents in the past, resulting in injuries to other dogs and humans, but nothing was ever done about it.

And so it was decided that the remaining three dogs should be put down. A decision which the owner fought legally, and succeeded. And when she passed away, her partner continued the fight to get the dogs back. In the meantime, the dogs had to undergo training by professionals, and there was another incident when the dogs attacked one of the instructors. Experts claimed that the dogs were dangerous and beyond help, and that they should at least be separated. But the owner pulled all kinds of strings and finally got all three dogs back, with a bunch of safety guidelines and conditions. That was about six months ago.

But yesterday, tragedy struck again. Or did it? Almost four years after the first incident, at the same location. The dogs attacked their owner and killed him. The police shot one of the dogs, the other two were finally put down later that evening. Whether that's a tragic or a happy end to that story, I'll let you decide for yourself.


If it was up to me, I would ban the possession of any dogs that could in any case or circumstances be dangerous to anyone. But I know all hell would break loose if somebody tried to introduce something like that. People love dogs too much.

But I can't understand why you don't need a license to own a dangerous dog. You need a license to carry a firearm, so why not something that could be just as dangerous, and you have less control over? It's a tragedy waiting to happen. Everyone that wants to own a dangerous dog should undergo training at a specific institution, have the dog trained under the supervision of trained professionals, and also be a physical match for the dog. And one dog is the limit, end of discussion.

I don't want anyone to take my generalizations personally, because I realize that a lot of dog owners are not really part of the problem. But one thing I could do without is having to pass people with big dogs on the street, and wondering if today is my turn to get attacked (again).

[snookerfan91]

I wasn't gonna go on an anti-dog rant, but since you brought it up...

There is a big story that is dominating the Slovenian media in the last two days. Let me tell you about it...

In 2006, four bullmastiffs attacked a man on one of the streets in the capital city. It was a big story at the time. Supposedly the man was just passing by, and the attack was completely unprovoked. The owner of the dogs was an elderly woman who was completely helpless during the attack, and had no way of controlling the animals. There were a couple of bystanders who tried to intervene, but had to retreat when the dogs turned on them. One of the bystanders called the police (the victim latter claimed that the owner went into the house to call her lawyers during the attack), and they shot one of the dogs on arrival, and managed to control the other three. The victim barely survived and was hospitalized for a while, but has since made a partial recovery.

As you can imagine, it was a topic of discussion for a number of the following days or even weeks. Some people went on an anti-dog crusade, other people claimed that the dogs were not a problem if properly trained, and it was all the owners' fault. I'm sure you can imagine... The media did a little digging, and it turned out that these dogs had been involved in a number of reported incidents in the past, resulting in injuries to other dogs and humans, but nothing was ever done about it.

And so it was decided that the remaining three dogs should be put down. A decision which the owner fought legally, and succeeded. And when she passed away, her partner continued the fight to get the dogs back. In the meantime, the dogs had to undergo training by professionals, and there was another incident when the dogs attacked one of the instructors. Experts claimed that the dogs were dangerous and beyond help, and that they should at least be separated. But the owner pulled all kinds of strings and finally got all three dogs back, with a bunch of safety guidelines and conditions. That was about six months ago.

But yesterday, tragedy struck again. Or did it? Almost four years after the first incident, at the same location. The dogs attacked their owner and killed him. The police shot one of the dogs, the other two were finally put down later that evening. Whether that's a tragic or a happy end to that story, I'll let you decide for yourself.


If it was up to me, I would ban the possession of any dogs that could in any case or circumstances be dangerous to anyone. But I know all hell would break loose if somebody tried to introduce something like that. People love dogs too much.

But I can't understand why you don't need a license to own a dangerous dog. You need a license to carry a firearm, so why not something that could be just as dangerous, and you have less control over? It's a tragedy waiting to happen. Everyone that wants to own a dangerous dog should undergo training at a specific institution, have the dog trained under the supervision of trained professionals, and also be a physical match for the dog. And one dog is the limit, end of discussion.

I don't want anyone to take my generalizations personally, because I realize that a lot of dog owners are not really part of the problem. But one thing I could do without is having to pass people with big dogs on the street, and wondering if today is my turn to get attacked (again).

I agree completely that any dog that is dangerous should be put down but it depends because you are saying you need a license because a dog could possibly kill.. but cant humans kill? cant any animal kill?

There was very similiar cases over here about dobermans killing kids, burglars, etc etc but at the end of the day dobermans was bred to be a guard dog from germany and it will ALWAYS be in them to have aggression, not 'vicious' just aggression people often get mistaken between the two.

For example - if I'm walking in the park and the labrador and doberman are of the lead and something catchs the dobermans eye it will stand right beside me in the guard stance (she is only 15 1/2 months old but a very good size for a bitch) and wait until she feels its safe than walks of and does her thing, but I would never set my dog on anyone, let her of the lead if she was vicious, see lots of people argue and always list the dogs that the media make out to be bad but at the end of the day any dog can turn if it wanted to and I personally defend dobermans hugely because it is very unlikely for dobermans to turn on there owner they probably one of the most if not the most loyalist dogs ever, it is all about how you bring them up, my labrador we got first in the house and people will thnk doberman is in charge - wrong - the labrador is the boss 100% and the doberman knows that.

I don't see why people stereotype people or animals so much I find it degrading and wrong, if you see a old man with a doberman but then you see a young man with one people will definitely think different it is so wrong.

It is a debate whether or not dangerous dogs should be allowed to be pets but at the end of the day I still definitely say you get bad owners not dogs, my pal has 3 rottweilers in the park and are soft as clarts!!!

My doberman and labrador are perfectly fine dogs and would NEVER go for someone without a reason like coming into property at night breaking in you know...

End of the day, any dog can turn, any animal can turn, any human can turn.

[RGCirencester]

jakat is not amused.

Lol evil eyes

You need a new monitor

Thats disgusting just throw it away keyboards are cheap as chips

Depends what keyboard you bought, a decent keyboard is a joy to type on compared to a cheap one. I wouldn't just throw mine away
Plus it lights up

[snookerfan91]

Haha, I do wanna get a fancy one to when I get a desktop pc

[Black_cat]

Ja and Ore, from a fellow cat lover, my admiration. Two lovely felines there.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2zt9hg1.jpg
(Link because it's a humongous pic. To fit the subject. )
This is Petre. My namesake. 15 years old, always wearing a bowtie and royally peeved-off without reason.

[Anastasia]

german shepherd

[jrc750]

.....For example - if I'm walking in the park and the labrador and doberman are of the lead ......

I thought you had to have dobermans muzzled and kept on the lead in public places ??? (or am i getting confused with other breeds) old friend of mine used to have one, and it was the softest dog you could ever meet (still so scary to look at tho)

[snookerfan91]

I thought you had to have dobermans muzzled and kept on the lead in public places ??? (or am i getting confused with other breeds) old friend of mine used to have one, and it was the softest dog you could ever meet (still so scary to look at tho)

Nope you don't just some pakrs do not let any dogs of the lead when parks are there for kids etc which is perfectly understandable, yes dobermans do look intimidating but thats life...

[Matt_2745]

You need a new monitor

That's my mum's thankfully