"147" V "9 Dart Finish"

[Semih_Sayginer]

what do you think is more difficult:-

a 147 in snooker, or a 9 dart finish at darts?

and why?

[elvaago]

This has been researched to death.

They compared a hole in one, in golf, a 147 in snooker and a 9 darter in darts.

Hole in one was the easiest by miles, then 147 and a 9 darter is by far the hardest to accomplish. Reason behind it was that a hole in one is just one hard shot, requiring concentration only once. A 147 can require hard shots, but can also contain all easy shots. And even if there's hard shots, there are very few hard shots consequetively. A 9 darter requires 9 hard shots in a row, with no easy shots in between.

[PaulTheSoave]

We had this discussion some time ago on the other board, but its an interesting one. I would say a 9 dart finish. In snooker there are more opportunities to pot balls (more pockets) then to throw the dart into the right slot. Furthermore, in snooker you can take as long as you want to compile a maximum as in darts its realized ina small time of space, which gives more pressure imho.

[PaulTheSoave]

Valid point. In snooker you can get out of position but still rescue the maximum as in darts, out of position means a failure!

This has been researched to death.

They compared a hole in one, in golf, a 147 in snooker and a 9 darter in darts.

Hole in one was the easiest by miles, then 147 and a 9 darter is by far the hardest to accomplish. Reason behind it was that a hole in one is just one hard shot, requiring concentration only once. A 147 can require hard shots, but can also contain all easy shots. And even if there's hard shots, there are very few hard shots consequetively. A 9 darter requires 9 hard shots in a row, with no easy shots in between.

[Semih_Sayginer]

interesting

would be good to hear a lot of opinions on the subject

my friend has hit 2 180's in a row, and he rarely plays darts and doesnt own a set of darts (ok the next 3 shots are the hardest)

i know many players who play snooker for over 20 hours a week that can barely make a century

also, is it harder for pro darts players V pro snooker players, or amateurs against each other that the research took into account?

[PaulTheSoave]

I was giving my opinion on the pro level.

[elvaago]

I read the research half a decade ago. I don't remember all the details other than the most important outcome. A 9 darter is hardest, a 147 is hard and a hole in one is relatively easy.

[rambon]

A more valid comparison for golf would be a round of 59 I think, as a hole in one happens every other pro tournament I seem to recall, and a 59 takes fifty nine shots, against the 36 required for a 147.

I'd agree with the list though.

9 dart is hardest as mistake means over
147 next
then hole in one

I'd actually put shooting a round of 59 at golf in between 147 and the 9 darter for info, as the fact that it's only ever been done a handful of times in tournaments versus over 50 147s would seem to indicate the relative difficulties involved

[snookerloopy83]

wouldnt say a hole in one is easy but i get your point. lol.


i understand the whole argument but the bottom line as far as im concerned (Yes semih i have an opinion) is i would be prouder to make a maximum than a 9 darter. IMO a maximum takes more concentration and skill

[Kimaster1976]

A hole in one in Golf is possible for a rank amateur. I myself have managed the feat on 2 different occasions despite having a handicap of only 18.

I also think a 9 darter can be fluked by an amateur. Granted it would take hours and hours of playing everyday before you ever finally acheived it, but I still think it could be done.

I dont think any of us could fluke a 147 even if we placed all the balls in the position we wanted them in at the start of the break.

So in my opinion a 147 would be much harder to accomplish.

[elvaago]

If you honestly think you can fluke a 9 dart finish, then I am going to boldly state that you have never touched a dart in your life.

I've played a fair bit of darts. The closest I ever came to a 9 dart finish is 41, 100, 140, 180 and 40 for a total of 17 darts. And that's with literally hours of darts practice every week with 5 other players who put in equal amounts of practice. I've never met anyone in all my years of darts who has made a 9 dart finish, even in practice.

Now, we have 3 members on this board alone who have scored a 147. And none of them play professionally. Willie Thorne has claimed to have made over 100 147s in practice. Peter Ebdon made back to back 147s in an exhibition match. There are 54 147s made in professional tournaments.

9 dart finishes are much, much more rare. I can only name 7 players who've made one and only one of them has made more than 1.

[..KiD DyNaMiTe..]

I'd say:

Hole in one or 147 then 9 darts. To me a 147 is hardest

[Cessy143]

If you honestly think you can fluke a 9 dart finish, then I am going to boldly state that you have never touched a dart in your life.

I've played a fair bit of darts. The closest I ever came to a 9 dart finish is 41, 100, 140, 180 and 40 for a total of 17 darts. And that's with literally hours of darts practice every week with 5 other players who put in equal amounts of practice. I've never met anyone in all my years of darts who has made a 9 dart finish, even in practice.

Now, we have 3 members on this board alone who have scored a 147. And none of them play professionally. Willie Thorne has claimed to have made over 100 147s in practice. Peter Ebdon made back to back 147s in an exhibition match. There are 54 147s made in professional tournaments.

9 dart finishes are much, much more rare. I can only name 7 players who've made one and only one of them has made more than 1.

You have a point there Elvaago but surely the likes of Phil Taylor has made numerous 9 dart finishes in practice over the years? A hole in one is completely different, anyone can fluke that, you certainly cant fluke a 147 or a 9 darter.

[elvaago]

No one ever mentioned anything about practice, or we'd have to count Willie Thorne's one thousand 147s. Peter Ebdon made back to back 147s in an exhibition. Practice schmactice.

However, you can fluke parts of a 147, as Cliff Thorburn might know. ;-)

[Cessy143]

Its a good question I suppose,,,,good thread Sem

I suppose the stats show that a 9 dart finish is a lot rarer than the others, which may show that it is more difficult to achieve.

147's were very rare before the modern (more attacking) game, also finer cloths, different balls, equipment etc have helped.

Put it this way, I'm more likely of making a 147 than a 9 dart finish,,,then again, I don't play darts