"147" V "9 Dart Finish"

[Semih_Sayginer]

cheers for the replies (so far)

one point id like to make, based on whats been discussed so far, is that 147's werent all that common 20 years or so ago.......

so was a 9 darter easier back then, or is it cause circumstances have changed

perhaps in 30 yeas time when more people take up darts, and it gets even more tv coverage, there may be a good increase of 9 darters

just a thought

[Semih_Sayginer]

Ovens missed double 12 for a 9 darter earlier tonight.....

[MrRottweiler]

147 without a doubt

[Snooker Rocks!]

Well the chances of a hole in one are 12,700:1 for an average golfer, and 3,700:1 for a tour professional. They are also very rare, and when do happen, are usually fluked (stats courtesy of www.wikipeidia.org)

A 9 dart finish seems to be pretty hard to do, and only about 10 (correct me if I'm wrong) have ever been made.

As to a 147, so far 54 have been made which is probably the highest frequency out of all of them (excluding fluked hole in one's).

On that basis I would say the most difficult is a hole in one, then a 9 dart finish and then a 147. But that's purely on frequency.

Another thing to take into account might be a 300-point game, in bowling.

[slayericed]

this could be calculated quite accurately with the help of statistics of the three games. but looks like a 9 dart finish would indeed be harder based on views here so far.

[The Statman]

I think I agree with the general consensus.

A hole in one is a single shot, and can therefore even be fluked, which cannot happen with a 147 or a 9-darter. It also requires no fluity between one shot and the next as a 147 does.

A 147 offers a choice of reds and pockets which is not available in a 9-darter.

[chasmmi]

I think a 9 darter is harder in pressure situations due to the intracacy involved in throwing whereas you can get a shot wrong in snooker and still recover a 147.

Without pressure though I would think a 9 darter becomes easier as good darts players can probably hit consecutive 180's quite consistently if theres nothing to lose and so it just comes down to the last three darts whereas a 1247 still has that many shots to go wrong with.

Saying this I am not a darts player at all.

[The Statman]

I think a 9 darter is harder in pressure situations due to the intracacy involved in throwing whereas you can get a shot wrong in snooker and still recover a 147.

Without pressure though I would think a 9 darter becomes easier as good darts players can probably hit consecutive 180's quite consistently if theres nothing to lose and so it just comes down to the last three darts whereas a 1247 still has that many shots to go wrong with.

Saying this I am not a darts player at all.

A 1247? Blimey, now you ARE raising the bar!

[Snooker Rocks!]

Isn't the easiest, and arguably most accurate, way to find out through some frequency analysis?

Does anybody know how many 9-dart finishes have been made in professional play?

[elvaago]

9-dart finishes? Probably no more than 20. And that's a very high estimate.

[Snooker Rocks!]

Exactly. 20 versus 54.

The next argument would be the state of the game. What is the standart of darts? As high as snooker? Is a top dart player better than a club dart player by the same amount as a top snooker player is better than a club snooker player?

[The Statman]

Exactly. 20 versus 54.

The next argument would be the state of the game. What is the standart of darts? As high as snooker? Is a top dart player better than a club dart player by the same amount as a top snooker player is better than a club snooker player?

You would have to have some perspective also on those figures compared with the availability of occurrences.

For example, there have been 6 Crucible maximums in 16666 frames, which is one 147 in every 2778 frames. (I have no idea how many frames there have been in competition snooker all-time.)

How does that compare with 9-dart finishes per game of darts?

[elvaago]

The PDC world championship this year is as follows:
Final: First to 7. So best of 13, maximum of 65 legs.
Semi final: Best of 11, maximum of 110 legs.
Quarter final: Best of 9, maximum of 180 legs.
Round 3: Best of 7, maximum of 280 legs.
Round 2: Best of 7, maximum of 560 legs.
Round 1: Best of 5, maximum of 800 legs.
800 + 560 + 280 + 180 + 110 + 65 = 1925 legs maximum.
So in 10 years, the PDC world championship alone could've had nearly 20000 legs of darts. And minimum of 12000 legs.

Note: Numbers might be slightly off here and there.

I think there's been 2 9 dart finishes in the history of this championship.

[Semih_Sayginer]

person commentating on Sky yesterday said that "9 darters in comps" werent as rare as folk think, but televised ones are. said that one guy still in the PDC worlds had been playing 2 years and has had 2 "9 darters" in comps already.

[andy carson]

I would say the 147 is miles harder to get, im an average pub player and have come very close to a 9 darter in the local, yet at snooker i am still nowhere near a 147 and am an average player.

snooker you have to concentrate a lot longer on the maximum, darts, its concentration bursts of around 30 seconds actual throwing time with a nice little break in between