Brexit, in or out.

[gavpowell]

No. Does it matter? More to the point, does it surprise you? Take it from me, government is spectacularly bad at spending our money.

As for the pull of royalty, have you actually been to London?

I have been to London many, many times - it's my favourite place. I see people taking pictures with the royal family all the ti..oh no, they basically gor ound the buildings and take photos at the landmarks. Like they do in Paris. The guys in the bearskins are definitely worth keeping - the royals definitely not.

[gavpowell]

As an economics graduate, with almost 30 years experience of spending tax payer dollars, it appears eminently sensibly to me. Would you care to explain why paying your way in life is laughable and irresponsible?

You're asking me to defend a position I do not advocate due to holding no view one way or the other. I did make that fairly clear. I believe the theory is that trying to run a country like you'd run your credit card is pointless, ebcause the two are not comparable. But I'm in no position to go into detail because I have been waiting years for someone to explain economics to me.

[ADR147]

There actually isn;'t a civil list anymore - they get money from the Crown Estates instead as a a support grant, and it does not include things like security, for which the bill is footed by the Metropolitan Police(allegedly around 20 million for William's wedding), royal visits are paid for by local councils. How is that not costing us anything?

I believe that it is refered to as the block grant now, you can seriously think they are a drain on our resourses? if you look at the number of people who are robbing us every day like bamford from JCB or amazon etc you would have to be mad to think the royals are an issue.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

You're asking me to defend a position I do not advocate due to holding no view one way or the other. I did make that fairly clear. I believe the theory is that trying to run a country like you'd run your credit card is pointless, ebcause the two are not comparable. But I'm in no position to go into detail because I have been waiting years for someone to explain economics to me.

I'm sorry but i quoted your words exactly. Laughable and irresponsible.

Anyway, you're in luck. Economics is remarkably simple: spend more than you earn and you're Donald ducked.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

I believe that it is refered to as the block grant now, you can seriously think they are a drain on our resourses? if you look at the number of people who are robbing us every day like bamford from JCB or amazon etc you would have to be mad to think the royals are an issue.

Their value is in their influence, contacts and power. I bet Liz has a few stories to tell...

[itsnoteasy]

I'm sorry but i quoted your words exactly. Laughable and irresponsible.

Anyway, you're in luck. Economics is remarkably simple: spend more than you earn and you're Donald ducked.

Come on Biggie that's just not true, that's something a primary school kid would know is cobblers.

[jim evans]

That's me out.

[vmax4steve]

I'm sorry but i quoted your words exactly. Laughable and irresponsible.

Anyway, you're in luck. Economics is remarkably simple: spend more than you earn and you're Donald ducked.

Being able to afford the repayments is the norm these days. Shackle yourself to a forty year mortgage, an ongoing deal on your car/s, both you and your spouse working full time to afford this so you need a child minder, probably an eastern european or phillipino, and all for the dream of owning your own home so you can be mortage free for about three years before the grim reaper points his finger at you.
Those berks who are profiting hugely from this dream were trading sub prime mortgage packages from the US only eight years ago and are now telling us that to remain would be best, what the hell do they know and why do they care ?

Besides, polling station was busy this morning when I cast my vote to leave, hopefully the silent majority have woken up.

[gavpowell]

I'm sorry but i quoted your words exactly. Laughable and irresponsible.

My words exactly, stripped of context, yes:

"to me, it seems sensible to pay down the debt, eliminate the deficit and balance the books so you have zero debt. To anyone who has a grasp of economics, however, this is a laughable and irresponsible idea.

Now fine, if you have a grasp of economics and disagree, I'll revise it, though the fact you think it's a single line to explain the whole thing suggests you perhaps don't.

Having googled about a bit, the view I was referring to was this, as explained by William Keegan, the Oberver's economics bod:

"It is hardly a good use of resources and economic potential if the budget is balanced when unemployment is still high and inflation is negligible"

This is echoed by this guy http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2...cal-surpluses/
who is an accountant but also a graduate of business economics.

and these people http://www.pieria.co.uk/articles/osb..._very_bad_idea

If what they say is true, running a deficit is a sensible way to run a country. Personally, I've never understood why the Gold Standard isn't a perfectly good system(see ignorance of economics)

[gavpowell]

I believe that it is refered to as the block grant now, you can seriously think they are a drain on our resourses? if you look at the number of people who are robbing us every day like bamford from JCB or amazon etc you would have to be mad to think the royals are an issue.

I can manage to be furious about multiple things at the same time I would dearly like to see all the tax dodging thieving corporate *******s hauled over the coals as well! JCB though? Missed that story, will add them to the list!

[ADR147]

I can manage to be furious about multiple things at the same time I would dearly like to see all the tax dodging thieving corporate *******s hauled over the coals as well! JCB though? Missed that story, will add them to the list!

He is supporting brexit from his tax heaven! the man actually owns 2 ferrari 250 gto's, not one £25m car.... two of them! live betting puts brexit at 6/1 now.....

[itsnoteasy]

He is supporting brexit from his tax heaven! the man actually owns 2 ferrari 250 gto's, not one £25m car.... two of them! live betting puts brexit at 6/1 now.....

Sounds like him and Sean Connery are cut from the same cloth, .
I am still sticking with a ten point gap around 55-45% remain.

[Byrom]

Who cares what these millionaires think ? Richard Branson lives in a tax haven an he supports staying in.

If we do leave Cameron will go seems a good reason to vote out ...

I look at it this way as Ian botham I think said if the vote was worded the other way around would you vote to join Europe give away billions as a major contributing country to help all these others ... And there are only a handful putting money in. The better we do in Europe the more we will have to give away.

Give away your right your democracy eventually your currency and have no control over your borders.

If every country paid in to Europe and they had elected leaders and a proper sensible immigration system based on points and needs then yes.

How can anyone seriously consider voting to go into Europe as is is - two counties have already gone bust - there will be more. It's a disaster waiting to happen - again as it has before.

Then again the women are hot 👀
Hashtag undecided lol

[itsnoteasy]

For me this vote will seperate the evolving from the unevolving, it's like back in the day, when the first humans were on the African plains, there would be some that wanted to explore, who wanted to know what was beyond the hills, who had a hunger for new things, to learn about what's out there, take the risks, be prepared to fail, get back up and go again. Then there were the ones that just wanted to sit in the cave, scared of the wind, the rustle in the trees, don't go anywhere it can only lead to doom, well those folk died out, it was the ones that spread out and took the risks that ended up surviving, Infact if they hadn't there would be no us , let's be the adventurers ,for once in our lives ,take a risk, aim for the stars , if we fall get back up and go again, we will prevail in the end!!
Of course that's not going to happen Brittish folk are just a bunch of cave dwelling moaners as a whole, moan moan whinge, do nothing about it, put the telly on watch the distraction in the corner and just exist,don't live a life, just have one.

[ADR147]

Who cares what these millionaires think ? Richard Branson lives in a tax haven an he supports staying in.

If we do leave Cameron will go seems a good reason to vote out ...

I look at it this way as Ian botham I think said if the vote was worded the other way around would you vote to join Europe give away billions as a major contributing country to help all these others ... And there are only a handful putting money in. The better we do in Europe the more we will have to give away.

Give away your right your democracy eventually your currency and have no control over your borders.

If every country paid in to Europe and they had elected leaders and a proper sensible immigration system based on points and needs then yes.

How can anyone seriously consider voting to go into Europe as is is - two counties have already gone bust - there will be more. It's a disaster waiting to happen - again as it has before.

Then again the women are hot ��
Hashtag undecided lol

Branson gives all the money he earns away now anyway so it matters not where he lives.