Atrocities in the Middle East

[Ramon]

I know what the question is, but I don't get the relevance. I mean you could have a grandad in the war and not agree with it, or you could want revenge on the opposition. Same as being in the war, you can follow blindly your instruction, or think those instructions are not what you think yourself. The closest I've come to war is having a fight with a fellow brit over something stupid or my work experience in the BBMF squadron. My grandad on my mums side fought in Burma and was in a japanese POW camp, that's it. I don't support war in the Middle East because before Western companies started drilling oil there and paying for royalty/puppet governments there weren't any wars and the people lived an equal lifestyle. Since this the west has tried to influence things in the region greatly and look what has happened. Yeah the puppet government of Saudi is portrayed as brilliant, I'd like to know what those getting their hands off for shoplifting or women getting stoned to death think about it. I think the whole thing reeks of imperialism and I'm 100% with russia on this debate. Things have gone way to far, we need a secondary power to try and restore freedom before the ME is turned into a capitalist playground with everyone else left in shanty towns.

well, then i guess, I owe you a apologies then.

sorry about that.

[VillaGuy]

well, then i guess, I owe you a apologies then.

sorry about that.

I was never upset in the first place fella, in fact it was a fair question.

[Ramon]

I was never upset in the first place fella, in fact it was a fair question.

i never said you was.
and yes, it was a fair question.

[VillaGuy]

i never said you was.
and yes, it was a fair question.

Be interesting to know your thoughts on the Middle East instead of dissecting mine.

[Ramon]

Be interesting to know your thoughts on the Middle East instead of dissecting mine.

My friend , if u take ur time and read post NR 12 one more time ,, You'll notice that your answer already has been given.

btw, I did'nt try to dissecting your thoughts tbh.

[VillaGuy]

This war/any war is for the benefit of exclusion, demonisation, incriminisitation itself over people. If you think that then me and you are on the same chapter. Terrorism is because of these factors, that's it. unfairness played out by people who feel it.

[Ramon]

This war/any war is for the benefit of exclusion, demonisation, incriminisitation itself over people. If you think that then me and you are on the same chapter. Terrorism is because of these factors, that's it. unfairness played out by people who feel it.

now hopefully you understand the relevance of my question in my first post.

If you were someone who was gone through the war, I would be glad to debate this matter with you.
But I can clearly see, you are not that person and you have'nt deal with that kind of stuff.
My intention was not to offend you ( if you think that way then My apologies ) . just to get a picture of who you are.

btw, belive it or not , I do enjoy reading your posts.

[VillaGuy]

now hopefully you understand the relevance of my question in my first post.

If you were someone who was gone through the war, I would be glad to debate this matter with you.
But I can clearly see, you are not that person and you have'nt deal with that kind of stuff.
My intention was not to offend you ( if you think that way then My apologies ) . just to get a picture of who you are.

btw, belive it or not , I do enjoy reading your posts.

Tell me of your experiences as horrifying as they'll be whatever side you're from. It'll be really interesting.

[Ramon]

[QUOTE=VillaGuy;913357]Tell me of your experiences as horrifying as they'll be whatever side you're from. It'll be really interesting.[/QUOTE]

that's the easy part.

understand my position, is the hard part and impossible.

so, please try to undrstand my ignorance and respect it .

I appreciate it immensely.

[VillaGuy]

[QUOTE=Ramon;913359]

Tell me of your experiences as horrifying as they'll be whatever side you're from. It'll be really interesting.[/QUOTE]

that's the easy part.

understand my position, is the hard part and impossible.

so, please try to undrstand my ignorance and respect it .

I appreciate it immensely.

So what's your approach, the way of Russia, Iran and China or the west? Control people by corporations or not? I know an interesting fact, sort of shows the wests involvements in new countries aren't exactly benevolent. When Bulgaria's economy has been growing by up to 4% recently deloitte and touche have recorded a drop in the net wealth of people in those countries. Basically the country is richer but the people are poorer. It's time for people to embrace Russia and China because the American corporate control is making them richer and not you.

[Ramon]

No , that's the wrong question.
The right question is: do you realy think talking about that kind of stuff, is gonna change anything?

do'nt get me wrong, as i already mentioned, it's off the topic and you can post what ever you want. I have no problem with that.

But in this case, My approach is : Play snooker as much as you can and try to enjoy your life. :snooker:

[VillaGuy]

So you reckon no sort of public intelligence/abhorrance will change things. I don't think burying it under the carpet is the way forward at all. There are people dying out there every single hour. This lorry incident in Berlin is taking place every day in Kabul, Baghdad, Tripoli etc... I reckon we should be more forthright, not letting our leaders who thrive on inequality rule the roost.

[Ramon]

So you reckon no sort of public intelligence/abhorrance will change things. I don't think burying it under the carpet is the way forward at all. There are people dying out there every single hour. This lorry incident in Berlin is taking place every day in Kabul, Baghdad, Tripoli etc... I reckon we should be more forthright, not letting our leaders who thrive on inequality rule the roost.

To be honest with you , I think if you start 2 more new threads and have a chat with few intelligent people around you ,, The President of Iran and Russia both gonna call back their troops from Syria.


Unfortunately I have to go back to reality and work . otherwise I don't get paid . It's gonna be a long night for me.

[VillaGuy]

Do you work for politics, it's either a yes or no in one.

[VillaGuy]

I really don't get the reaction from the US. Russia and turkey have reached a cease-fire agreement and the US are upset they didn't cause/make it, upset that turkey are favouring Russia. Actually i do get it, they wanted total cooperation at the expense of rivals, so yeah they are upset. Why can't the media play this out as such instead of suggesting poor old america has lost some momentum? It's disgusting they are suggesting anything but cause for celebration, how has the US acted apart from being upset, expelling Russian national intelligence/government workers. America really is fighting for peace :biggrin-new:

There has been live footage from Syria showing footage of people carying on as usual, yet America is saying Russia to blame for this, they're to blame for that. I think we know who this war in Syria is between and looks like a whitewash to Russia. Shame a country like Syria paid such a price, before te war their cities were above magnificent.