2 days left for a fag!

[Wity]

davis greatest...

Oh boy ! Your telling me now what i googled and read earlier today! you installed a spy camera in my bedroom or what?

I read that the average smoker lives 4 years less than the average non smoker on one site, on another two the same sentance but the figure was 10 years and on another one the identical sentance again but with 12 years. None of those sites said between 4 to 12 years and none mentioned age. Obviously expectancy varies with the current age attained but those sites were talking of the average age at death not expectation. One could argue that they should technically have said the average lived not lives but expectancy tables are based on the past not the future.

You and I obviously dont speak or at least interpret English the same for example, see your own post where you say "Sorry? What is crap and why?" and then you answer it with the reason why I previously gave.

As for the 95% thing. Let me clarify once more, I said 95% of adults in the uk die from heart problems or cancer. I further said I took such info from the bumph i saw from insurance companies, although it could have been from trade papers or whatever I forget the source now. However I assure you I am neither now or was daft enough to say anything to a client in writing or verbally that I could not substansiate or at least refer to the original author. Not that the F.S.A. could do anything about it now anyways.


Erwan....

You and I will go to our graves argueing about anything mate. You know it and so do I.

And yes, I've seen a diseased heart and a cancer ridden lung, not a pretty site I know but the doctor assured me they looked just as bad wether the owner smoked or not. So dont try impling only smokers suffer from such we aint all that stupid this side of the channel you know.


Snookersfun....

If the old gal wants a fag then for pity's sake give her one. Kin ell it's hardly gonna do her any harm now is it?

Mr Rottweiler...

Nicotine is a rutelessly addictive drug more potent than Heroin or Crack Cocaine.

Yeah sure And the mupppets herin are saying i'm talking nonsense.

Ever wondered why they dont give addicts heroin or crack patches?


Nina...

Good on your old man for quitting I say. 60 a day was really heavy and asking for trouble.


All..


Slow down a bit will yah I' cant keep up with all you lot.

Where am I ... (hits refresh button.) Right, Sam's next gonna have a cuppa first.

Aint there any smokers with a simlar view to mine here or have they all been brainwashed likewise.?

[MrRottweiler]

Crack and heroin patches don't exist which is a good reason not to prescribe them although you've given me an idea for a patent. Methadone is a close substitute though. My point is nicotene is the most addictive drug known to man. More addicive than any class A narcotic such as PCP (Angel Dust) and Crystal Meth.

[chasmmi]

davis greatest...

Aint there any smokers with a simlar view to mine here or have they all been brainwashed likewise.?

So anybody who doesn't agree with your proofless opinions which basically state that anything a scientist or other expert says in wrong. We have been brainwashed, ok right.


Look on the bright side though, at least you got the answer to your original question about wy this law ever got passed.

Unless that is you feel it is undemocratic to pass a law which (if this forum is anything to go by) only 90 or so percent of people are in favour of.

[PaulTheSoave]

Okay, Hands up! I started it all!

Bang me up! (Smoke free cell please)

[Marc]

A smoking area(i.e a separate room) in a pub would have been a fairer way forward i think, lots of business will be lost in pubs, bingos, snooker halls etc. I do see small pubs suffering due to having no beer garden and not having the big company behind them to pay for the outdoor heaters. I know it doesn't matter to some about pubs closing as drinking isn't healthy etc.. but to me its like the small grocers and butchers closing down because of supermarkets in the area taking their business. But at least now the smokers might have an extra incentive to quit, which would be very good indeed for them.

[davis_greatest]

Oh boy ! Your telling me now what i googled and read earlier today!

So if you have read the studies concluding that deaths are caused by passive smoking, then why have you claimed that it is "another load of drivel with absolutely no proof to back it up" - or not retracted that assertion?

I read that the average smoker lives 4 years less than the average non smoker on one site, on another two the same sentance but the figure was 10 years and on another one the identical sentance again but with 12 years. None of those sites said between 4 to 12 years and none mentioned age. Obviously expectancy varies with the current age attained but those sites were talking of the average age at death not expectation. One could argue that they should technically have said the average lived not lives but expectancy tables are based on the past not the future.

I cannot comment on the consistency of unsourced, unquoted and un-named snippets that you may or may not have read on the internet. If you want to discuss the conclusions or validity of any named scientific study or mortality analysis, then I can do so.

As for the 95% thing. Let me clarify once more, I said 95% of adults in the uk die from heart problems or cancer. I further said I took such info from the bumph i saw from insurance companies, although it could have been from trade papers or whatever I forget the source now. However I assure you I am neither now or was daft enough to say anything to a client in writing or verbally that I could not substansiate or at least refer to the original author. Not that the F.S.A. could do anything about it now anyways.

Then I may have misinterpreted what you meant when you said that "the 95% one got far more reaching for the proposal form" - unfortunately that statement did not make much sense so I interpreted it as likely meaning that on your proposal forms it was written that 95% of deaths were smoking-related, following from where you had written "would it be more effective had they said.. 95% of adults die from a smoking related illness". So what did you mean by that statement?

[PaulTheSoave]

Marc, I dont think it has any significance on the outturn of the business. Smoking bans in pubs and restaurants in other countries (Italy, Sweden, Ireland) have not lead to a drop in business at all. it will even be an upper for pubs, having some fresh oxygen outside, coming back in and ordering another batch of drinks! A well known forum member already applied this habit, even before the ban!!

[moglet]

I have no wish to imply support for Wity's argument which is weakened by his hyperbole, but I do have some misgivings about the need for a restricted legal ban. Recently, the trend has been towards a voluntary code where the health, comfort and wishes of nonsmokers was respected, it is to our shame that legal enforcement is now necessary - perhaps because some smokers continued to be thoughtless about where they smoked. An unwritten code that worked would have been less divisive. Legal or not, the ban does not affect me personally, but while I dislike the smell of modern cigarettes, I will miss the occasional whiff of quality tobacco in spite of the danger.

[Wity]

Dan..
re: fags 30 years ago had the same carcinogens in them as today.

Well 40 years ago Park drive and Woodbine were the top sellers and as untipped they were mor harmful than the top sellers of 30 years ago which were tipped and small. I think it was about 1978 or so when thyey changed the tax struxture and made king size fags cheaper than ordinary ones so overnight really king size fags were top with their far bigger filters. At the same time the goverment introduced the first warnings on packets attempting to convince smokers to leave longer butts where the crap was more concentrated. Then followed the very popular very low tar silk cut with holes in the filters. Of course no mortality tables Take these factors into account though.

re: Doctors who quit.
I found most of the smokers i knew tended to give it up around their 40th give or take a couple of years.
It's at that age when your gut really starts to sag, the beer somehow tastes better, exersize goes out the window, motorbikes suddenly seem cool and your kids appear bigger fitter and stronger than you.
Somewhere a switch is thrown and you decide it's time for a major change, and it's not just quitting fags it's healthier food and more exersize too. For those that keep it up the quitting of fags isn't solely accounting for their future mortality but them figures say it is.

davis greatest

10,000 passive smoking deaths p/a eh? Ever thought who pays these quacks to come up with such crap and what would happen to their jobs if they came up with an insignificant number ? Okay the same can be said against any F.O.R.E.S.T survey as they are funded by the tobacco companies. We smokers pay for bloody everything dont we? we keep the basic rate of tax down from the 40% it'd need to be without tobacco smoke, we pay for quacks both for and against us and theres still enough in the coffers to pay for the nhs a few times over.
The anti smoking brigade out to be kissing our butts not kicking them.

I cannot comment on the consistency of unsourced, unquoted and un-named snippets that you may or may not have read on the internet. If you want to discuss the conclusions or validity of any named scientific study or mortality analysis, then I can do so.

Have a google yourself I couldn't be arsed to again. Your spoiling my Sunday dossing watching Star Treck here with all these replies.:P

Wity's 2nd cry for smokers... Help! i'M getting slaughtered here!

Despite my "hyperbole" whatever the hell that is?

[PaulTheSoave]

You dont get slaughtered by some typing on a forum, me thinks! It seems there are not a lot of pro smokers on here, so you have to take it on the chin. I am not a smoker and not a member of any brigade. I dont agree with your point of view, but still respect your opinion! Thats whats it all about.

[Wim]

I think it' s time to smoke the Pipe of Peace

[Wity]

BTW, My mum (in her 70's a lifelong non smoker ) rang me Friday..

Mom.... Steve..

Me.... Wotchya

Mom.... You know I went to the doctors about my ingrowing toenail this morning?

Me.... Yeah

Mom.... It was a stand in doctor, ours is on holiday. I sat down told him about my toe and guess what he said?

Me.... Go on surprise me

Mom.... Do you smoke?

Me.... haha typica eh?

Mom...That's only half of it, he bent down picked up my foot and said "Are you sure?"

Me... (silence, by then i'd dropped the phone i was laughing so much.

Mom.... Your right y'know if they dont have an answer for somethying they blame it on fags every time.



At least one non smoker agrees with me

[Erwan_BZH]

Erwan....

You and I will go to our graves argueing about anything mate. You know it and so do I.

And yes, I've seen a diseased heart and a cancer ridden lung, not a pretty site I know but the doctor assured me they looked just as bad wether the owner smoked or not. So dont try impling only smokers suffer from such we aint all that stupid this side of the channel you know.

No sh*t.....lool Do you really realize what you just wrote?? lool I mean, this is incredible. But I'm talking to a wall anyway so I'm not gonna waste my time with you.

[PaulTheSoave]

BTW, My mum (in her 70's a lifelong non smoker ) rang me Friday..


i bet your mum is one of those types who fancies the doc, and find any excuse to have a visit! haaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaa

[Wity]

No sh*t.....lool Do you really realize what you just wrote?? lool I mean, this is incredible. But I'm talking to a wall anyway so I'm not gonna waste my time with you.

Bah, you promised me that last time.