Gascoigne held under Mental Health Act

[PaulTheSoave]

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/7256761.stm

[Valderie]

What are your thoughts? I think its tragic.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/7256761.stm

I agree Paul. Gascoigne was one of those people who always seemed to have lots of 'hangers on', wonder where they are now that he needs them!

[imy147]

I love Gazza. Great player but hes had many problems sadly! After reading his autobiography you realise just what he goes through! Hope hes ok and comes out stronger.

[miscuehamburg]

Sad news on a great football player. I wish him well & that he can put his talent and experience in use

[frameandfortunereturns]

I am not a soccer fan but obviously know about Gazza. I am not so sure about the tragic! There are many, many people walking our streets with really bad mental problems who get absolutely no attention. Only recently a friend of mine committed suicide by jumping from a building as no one was there for him and there are far too many cases like this I'm afraid. Being famous doesn't make you more important, having more money doesnn't make you more important. This celebrity obsessed/material obsessed society is certainly no good thing.

[kellie-text]

I am not a soccer fan but obviously know about Gazza. I am not so sure about the tragic! There are many, many people walking our streets with really bad mental problems who get absolutely no attention. Only recently a friend of mine committed suicide by jumping from a building as no one was there for him and there are far too many cases like this I'm afraid. Being famous doesn't make you more important, having more money doesnn't make you more important. This celebrity obsessed/material obsessed society is certainly no good thing.

I couldnt agree more.

[frameandfortunereturns]

Thanks Kellie. Nice to be have appreciation shown occasionally and to know not everyone is sucked in with all the media and advertising junk that is constantly force fed us.

[Littlesense]

Thanks Kellie. Nice to be have appreciation shown occasionally and to know not everyone is sucked in with all the media and advertising junk that is constantly force fed us.

I agree with you to some extent Frame and am sorry to hear about your friend, Im happy that the media do perhaps go over board about these things and certain people as it seems to be the only time that mental health problems are noticed and talked about. People still feel ashamed to have mental health problems and are still in many cases ignored by the public as its totaly miss-understood. I know that you dont think much of O'sullivan but the more that these people are talked about the better in my eyes

[Monique]

There are many, many people walking our streets with really bad mental problems who get absolutely no attention. Only recently a friend of mine committed suicide by jumping from a building as no one was there for him and there are far too many cases like this I'm afraid. Being famous doesn't make you more important, having more money doesnn't make you more important.

frame I totally agree with this. And I'm also sorry to hear about your friend. really. it is tragic though, for all of them, famous or not, rich or not. You will tell me the rich and famous have easier access to appropriate care. True.
Just for that reason I second littlesense, it's important to battle for better attention and care for all, and especially for the ones who are less fortunate. And the ones who are famous can contribute to it, for instance by accepting to participate in advertising campaigns by health authorities. Not only because it is important to raise awareness about this and to bust out the prejudices but also because knowing that it is still possible to achieve valuable things is a source of hope for the ones who suffer, and for their relatives who support them, especially parents confronted with the illness in their children.
Of course I do know that in the most severe cases there is no hope for a decent life, sometimes even no hope for a life at all alas. But still it's worh trying to pull each of them up to the best possible life.

[Littlesense]

Id also like to point out that its not that the services arnt there, its more to do that they are not promoted enough and that people do not know where to go for help, leading them to feel more alone and seperated from others. In some ways i feel that it is much harder to be well known, take Gazza he had lots of people willing to be around when he was well but they all vanish when there is a problem. Ronnie is very similar. It is also interesting to see that some are more willing to accept Gazza's behaivour and situation than they are others such as O'sullivan. They and others have been in the press for very similar issues and perhaps in many ways Gazza's behaviour has been the worse over the years, its a shame that they can not all be treated in a similar light and accepted in the same way.

[frameandfortunereturns]

Monique; Littlesense;

I can only agree that any positive publicity about mental health issues can only be a good thing. I never read tabloids but I caught a glimpse of one of them today; it had a picture on its centre pages of Gazza with the words 'I'M MAD' written underneath. This is just typical of the journalists who write for these 'comic strips'. How would a mentally ill person react to reading this? They would perhaps feel more isolated, more ashamed, more embarrassed etc. Don't be surprised if one silly, ill thought headline like this has a manifold affect on a mentally ill person seeing it, perhaps contributing to more suicides. This tripe journalism needs to be eradicated but of course it won't because it sells papers to the apathetic masses. My advice would be to anyone who cares to listen to never buy the particular tabloid again. These tabloid journalists are the worst kind. They have no conscience for any adverse affect their writings may have. It is all about sales. Human life is worthless to these people, it is all about feathering their own nests.

[Littlesense]

They are the same people Frame that write about O'sullivan in the same way with the same coments, but i think you know that any way. Im not making any excuse for O'sullivan as a lot of his behaviour is wrong the same as Gazza's and they both still are very aware what the right is from wrong. The papers when they wright coments like that do a huge amount of damage as you say, I think that they wright these beleiving that it is the same as what many of their readers feel, however i dont think that this is the case and that they often lead the general publics feelings untill people completly swing the other way and reject these claims making the media change tact. As long as there are still members of the public willing to put down others with mental health this will stay the same. Its like Diana, the media still believe that we are interested in raking up the past again and again, untill we show them differant they will carry on.
I work with people who have mental health problems on a regular basis and reading those kind of headlines does as you say cause them huge amounts of upset, the first thing that clients will often sau when they phone is "you dont think im mad do you ?" or "your going to think im crazy" all words that are often used by the media and others who dont understand the issue.....at last Frame it looks as though we have found some common ground

[Monique]

Again I can only second Littlesense here ... and add that, well, from my own experience these people feel ashamed very often about who they are, how they are ... ashamed and guilty not to be able to behave and react "appropriately". Afraid also to be judged and casted out even more. And this in turn prevents them for seeking help.
The tabloid crap hype is doing a lot of damage there!
And yes Frame, it seems we have found one common ground

[dannyd0g]

I believe it will take more excellent TV programs from respected and popular celebrities like Stephen Fry to continue to raise awareness and understanding of these problems and to reduce the stigma associated with them.

No one would ever need feel ashamed for suffering from a physical illness with their heart or bones or whatever, with a bit of luck maybe one day the ignorance and fear surrounding mental issues will become a thing of the past.

[Littlesense]

id dissagree that it is easier for well known people as well, it maybe easier for them to gain treatment due to money but the treatment that they are offered is not always as good as what ourselves could get, Its a little hard to explain but if we were to walk into a hospital today we would be offered all kinds of support,Treatments and medication this system still lets far to many people down but if you have got the money and are in the limelight the well known clinics only supply the support that they want to and are fairly ristricted within themselves. Also if you think about it a celebrity will have to think over all of the same issues as ourselves such as , friends,family,work and then will have to think over the problems of how the media will report it and how the public response will be again putting off treatment untill there really isnt any other response or when it gets taken out of there hands.