Rafael Nadal is a genius!

[Semih_Sayginer]

I havnt said that i feel O'sullivan is a genius infact i have said completly the reverse, The same as yourself i do not class these kind of people a genius or any of the great artists that you can name. They may well be a genius in their field which i see as something slightly differant. I see as i have already explained a genius as someone who can adapt to many various situations, achieve the greatest level in these situations and someone who has changed the world in a permanent positive way that has affected or changed the lives of thousands.

I know that we cant all be correct and if you knew anything at all about me youd find that i listen and learn from others around me, but i would add that i acctually know what i am talking about and its part of my daily role. what im trying to do is explain how this whole thing works and correct what has been said to try to help people understand the factors in play. [b]Im more than happy for people to go off with their opinions, but make sure their right before sharing them.

i dont remember specifically saying you thought he was a genius. maybe i did, but i dont remember

some folks opinion you may not know what youre talking about because they dont know you??

id like to know how other folk make sure their opinions are correct when its not a 'factual' based arguement WRT his effort / not much effort at being good left handed.

[Littlesense]

i dont remember specifically saying you thought he was a genius. maybe i did, but i dont remember

some folks opinion you may not know what youre talking about

id like to know how folk make sure their opinions are correct when its not a 'factual' based arguement WRT his effort / not much effort at being good left handed

This on my part comes from working within the scene, knowing the people and knowing how these things came about and being apart of that history in various ways. The other side is from my full time roll of working where i need to have an extensive knowledge of the basic workings of how the brain works and functions. if i didnt know what i was talking about i wouldnt be saying anything and thats why i know that i am being factual.

Its up to others to check on information before putting it across as being factual, id say that if you cant prove that it is then perhaps its better to say that your unsure or at least be prepared to take on board what others are putting forward who may know the truth

[Semih_Sayginer]

Its up to others to check on information before putting it across as being factual, id say that if you cant prove that it is then perhaps its better to say that your unsure or at least be prepared to take on board what others are putting forward who may know the truth

i think most folk post opinions on here. sometimes facts. sometimes opinions based on known facts etc....

if i post something that isnt correct and someone posted a reply with a fact that can be checked confirming i was wrong then id be happy to learn. i dont go looking to find facts on every subject i post in case my opinion isnt 100% factually correct (on things which can be proved). that was my main point. if you think folk should check their opinions are correct before posting then there would be a lot less posts for fear of having factually incorrect opinions. IMHO

[ADR147]

the trouble is that if we go along those lines nothing is a fact. all facts were at one point an opinion. as time goes by what we classify as fact changes as our knowledge and understanding of the world changes. so we go with facts as a generally excepted opinion with some basis in current scientific understanding, that however does not make them 100% always correct. without getting too geeky on the subject the origin is from the latin factum which meant something that has been done. so in truth perhaps we should not use the term the way we do now.

[PaulTheSoave]

Well, I find this all a prime example of upping the post count!!!

[Littlesense]

To be honest im not really bothered who posts what, people will believe what they want to believe and some want people to take on board things for their own gain any way. its onlt that Semih_Sayginer seems to be making an issue out of it ???????

[janverhaas]

I think the onus is on the person calling Ronnie a genius to state exactly why. If it is just because he can play left handed pretty well or has made faster maximums than Hendry then it isn't really saying much.

[dantuck_7]

Going back to Wkipedia:

A genius is a person of great intelligence, who shows an exceptional natural capacity of intellect, especially as shown in creative and original work. Geniuses - or genii (see Etymology) - always show strong individuality and imagination, and are not only intelligent, but unique and innovative.

I would say that Ronnie shows exceptional imagination and reading of the game..... but......

Although the term "genius" is sometimes used to denote the possession of a superior talent in any field, e.g., Roger Federer may be said to have a genius for tennis or Winston Churchill for statesmanship, in many of these cases the term is applied incorrectly and should instead be used specifically to denote an exceptional natural capacity of intellect and creative originality in areas of art, literature, music, science and mathematics.

So, why no mention of Nadal! and why should art, literature.... be the only possible areas....why not sport? .....Who is writing this?

[Semih_Sayginer]

its onlt that Semih_Sayginer seems to be making an issue out of it ???????

certainly not making an issue out of it. merely using the forum for my opinion and asking about others opinions etc to gain info or thought tracks of theirs.

i dont have an issue with you at all. i like this thread and thought id join in the debate.

some of your posts on here have been bang on the mark...like here where i reply directly what i think of your post http://www.thesnookerforum.com/board...278#post310278 . (also the stuff on the how clean is snooker thread)

thats all. enjoying the debate, and opinions.

(and its in the off topic section so it doesnt add to the post count )

[frameandfortunereturns]

Going back to Wkipedia:

A genius is a person of great intelligence, who shows an exceptional natural capacity of intellect, especially as shown in creative and original work. Geniuses - or genii (see Etymology) - always show strong individuality and imagination, and are not only intelligent, but unique and innovative.

I would say that Ronnie shows exceptional imagination and reading of the game..... but......

Although the term "genius" is sometimes used to denote the possession of a superior talent in any field, e.g., Roger Federer may be said to have a genius for tennis or Winston Churchill for statesmanship, in many of these cases the term is applied incorrectly and should instead be used specifically to denote an exceptional natural capacity of intellect and creative originality in areas of art, literature, music, science and mathematics.

So, why no mention of Nadal! and why should art, literature.... be the only possible areas....why not sport? .....Who is writing this?

O'Sullivan shows exceptional imagination and reading of the game? More than John Higgins? More than Steve Davis?

If someone has spent their life studying a snooker table then surely they should know the game inside out? There isn't that much to learn.

Some of these snooker pundits who make these silly comments about O'Sullivan being a genius need to get out more.

[Nugget]

O'Sullivan shows exceptional imagination and reading of the game? More than John Higgins? More than Steve Davis?

If someone has spent their life studying a snooker table then surely they should know the game inside out? There isn't that much to learn.

Some of these snooker pundits who make these silly comments about O'Sullivan being a genius need to get out more.

Maybe you should spend less time arguing about O'Sullivan?

I'm sure you know you'll achieve nothing.

[Qubit]

Rafael Nadal is also a Gentleman and a credit to his sport,

No he is not. He disrespected Andre Agassi when they met in what was Agassi's last competitive match by using gamesmanship against him throughout the entire match. Many things he maybe, but a gentleman on the court he is definitely not.

[Littlesense]

Maybe you should spend less time arguing about O'Sullivan?

I'm sure you know you'll achieve nothing.

If he done that he would have to admit to his undying love for Ronnie and tell the truth on how he really feels

[dantuck_7]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7429565.stm

Can one of the tennis fans here tell me what is so good about this point?

[ADR147]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7429565.stm

Can one of the tennis fans here tell me what is so good about this point?

i take it you don't follow tennis!!!