Spotted on eBay

[ADR147]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/John-Parr...d862%7Ciid%3A1

General area around the badge isn't at all suspect. That being said, in terms of the cue itself it's shaft is probably better than most "consumer grade" ultimates as of late.

That is not a parris cue and the veneer is not a wood he ever used. Pretty sure the seller knows this fine.

[narl]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/John-Parr...d862%7Ciid%3A1

General area around the badge isn't at all suspect. That being said, in terms of the cue itself it's shaft is probably better than most "consumer grade" ultimates as of late.

[ADR147]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Burroughe...8AAOSwWy5eEkM9

Good god, that poor cue, looks like it may have been a Eureka at one point, then it was handed to Mr Magoo to lengthen.

That actually upsets me.

[narl]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Burroughe...8AAOSwWy5eEkM9

Good god, that poor cue, looks like it may have been a Eureka at one point, then it was handed to Mr Magoo to lengthen.

[ADR147]

Rest shaft maybe

Just noticed the person selling this ordered it during 2013, 6 years and that's what turns up.

Yes, I would not be happy!

[narl]

That cue would not make it out of raymonds workshop with any badge on it.

Rest shaft maybe

Just noticed the person selling this ordered it during 2013, 6 years and that's what turns up.

[ADR147]

Points is referring to the grain arrows I would assume, even spacing between them. Maple ultimates can look different because maple can have varying levels of how noticable the grain is. I remember the cue contest post on here from pottr and the ultimate he got was terrible, veneers bleeding through the splices and plenty of "toffee marks" on the shaft.

What passes for an ultimate these days would be firewood in the early 90's.


I mean look at the state of this, was posted before but it's so bad it needs posting again. https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F264579894269

Seen rack cues in a bar that looked better.

That cue would not make it out of raymonds workshop with any badge on it.

[narl]

if chevrons make the Ultimate, then why does he sell Maple Ultimate?

If someone wanted an ash Ultimate made with ONE chevron 6.235 inches from the tip, that would still be an Ultimate - because the badge and the bill says so

"... very even points" would that not be the points of the butt splices? Which we all know, JP (staff) seem to have difficulty with sometimes? :wink::biggrin:

Points is referring to the grain arrows I would assume, even spacing between them. Maple ultimates can look different because maple can have varying levels of how noticable the grain is. I remember the cue contest post on here from pottr and the ultimate he got was terrible, veneers bleeding through the splices and plenty of "toffee marks" on the shaft.

What passes for an ultimate these days would be firewood in the early 90's.


I mean look at the state of this, was posted before but it's so bad it needs posting again. https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F264579894269

Seen rack cues in a bar that looked better.

[DeanH]

if chevrons make the Ultimate, then why does he sell Maple Ultimate?

If someone wanted an ash Ultimate made with ONE chevron 6.235 inches from the tip, that would still be an Ultimate - because the badge and the bill says so

"... very even points" would that not be the points of the butt splices? Which we all know, JP (staff) seem to have difficulty with sometimes? :wink::biggrin:

[narl]

chevrons do not make an Ultimate
supposedly, playability is what makes an Ultimate

I beg to differ, the whole spiel about the ultimate on older versions of the parris site were that it was "a magnificent shaft with the straightest of grain and very even points".

That mantra has fallen by the wayside in recent years due to the backlog being stupidly big so even rack level cues are getting an ultimate badge slapped on them.

[DeanH]

chevrons do not make an Ultimate
supposedly, playability is what makes an Ultimate

[narl]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/John-Parr...f254%7Ciid%3A1


Another "ultimate" with a shaft that's "ok" at best. People paying for these are getting taken for a ride whilst the pro's get them for free and get the pick of the litter of shafts. Compare the cue in the above link to what a pro gets:

[Delphi]

And there are the people that ordered one but had to wait many years, and now that they finally have them they stopped playing so they are selling.
A bit the same with the rare & exclusive beer i prefer, that also gets resell hunters that try to make a profit (i'm not one of them, i keep them all for myself )

[narl]

There seems to be a load of excessively expensive and some maybe questionable Parris cues on facebook marketplace recently. Do people really buy them???

Hard to say, the so called "ronnie reps" in ultimate category usually don't last long. Crackheads like ultimatecue147 on ebay just seem to love listing cues with an utterly ludicrous price that never seem to shift.

There's one or 2 other headcases that seem to quite literally visit the parris workshop daily so they can snap up any traditional cues and list them on ebay. All a bit sad really.

[narl]

To my eye the ash and the 3/4 joint look newer than the badge in the photos. If the seller stated it had been refinished, (which he doesn't ) it may go some way to explaining that, but even if that was the case, why not get the badge tidied up at the same time......

It's a nice looking cue, though those 3 little brown spots on what appears to be an otherwise jet black butt would drive me mad. The wear on the badge just looks a bit strange, assuming it is wear and not as mentioned a bit of glue that seeped out.