another trevor white!

[cueman]

i dont think it would be fair on Andrew or potential buyers to discuss the original cost whilst the cue is being offered up for sale.
But I have to say i think the price the cue is being offered at is very fair considering the original cost and Trevors current waiting list

Er why not! This is an open forum, not just set up for ADR or anyone else to do their business free of charge. Sorry but that is like saying you are condoning people trying to con others out of money. Anyone could go to Trevor and have a quote for the same cue specs so it kind of defeats the object.

Sorry but this forum is going downhill if this is the way business is going to be conducted. If you want to fleece people Ebay is the place for that. However for a community of snooker fans this place should not be used by people who are only out to line their own pockets at the expence of the site owners.

[ADR147]

Er why not! This is an open forum, not just set up for ADR or anyone else to do their business free of charge. Sorry but that is like saying you are condoning people trying to con others out of money. Anyone could go to Trevor and have a quote for the same cue specs so it kind of defeats the object.

Sorry but this forum is going downhill if this is the way business is going to be conducted. If you want to fleece people Ebay is the place for that. However for a community of snooker fans this place should not be used by people who are only out to line their own pockets at the expence of the site owners.

equally he is under no obligation to tell you what he paid for it - and a guy who buys a cue every week is going to get a discount. - i told you what trevor would quote you roughly to replace it surely thats enough information?

also anybody who thinks i am here to line my pockets must be mad, i personally believe i have contributed an awful lot of helpful and impartial information and actually find the statement very insulting. so please feel free to take your opinions and stick them where the sun don't shine.

[ADR147]

i shall add to that, as i think you will find if you run a poll on it, most things i have sold to forum members have been done at no profit to myself purely to help out - i have even sent people the invoices to prove it. that said if people prefered it if i don't offer anything for sale on the forum it would not put me up or down.

[RGCirencester]

I've got to be on ADR's side here, Archalf could have got it for 20 pounds from a charity shop, this would not make any difference to the price it would be reasonable for ADR to sell it on for. He has already stated the price it would cost to have this made, and buying from him there is no waiting list. I personally think it's a very useful thing to have somebody you know you can trust on the forum, instead of blindly buying from ebay as many people may be forced to do otherwise.

[cueman]

So lets get this right then, you are offering cues and not making any profit from it. Do you think I/we on this forum were born yesterday?

You are always out to snap up cues from other members either on here or on Ebay and then the next thing they are listed on here a week or so later so you tell me, what's the deal?

[KeithinFrance]

I've got to be on ADR's side here, Archalf could have got it for 20 pounds from a charity shop, this would not make any difference to the price it would be reasonable for ADR to sell it on for. He has already stated the price it would cost to have this made, and buying from him there is no waiting list. I personally think it's a very useful thing to have somebody you know you can trust on the forum, instead of blindly buying from ebay as many people may be forced to do otherwise.

I agree with Rob, and with Andrew too. Andrew's put it up for sale, if you want to bid for it, then do so, if you don't, then don't. But, if you wanted to bid for it on here, I think you'd get it for a better price than if it was put up on eBay with many more potential bidders in competition.

[trigger666]

got to agree with RGC i dealt with adr on a few occasions (and asked him stupid questions !!!)
hes only ever been a proper gent and most helpful !!!

i think everybody has got a story to tell about EBAY !£"£$%^^

[cueman]

I've got to be on ADR's side here, Archalf could have got it for 20 pounds from a charity shop, this would not make any difference to the price it would be reasonable for ADR to sell it on for. He has already stated the price it would cost to have this made, and buying from him there is no waiting list. I personally think it's a very useful thing to have somebody you know you can trust on the forum, instead of blindly buying from ebay as many people may be forced to do otherwise.

fact is the cue was listed on Ebay last week, I remember it as there were a few interested buyers. AdR comes in and deprives them of a chance as he being a dealer decides to offer Archalf to end the listing early, neither have to pay commission to Ebay and the innocent potential buyers on Ebay are conned out of a chance to buy the cue. Then he advertises it for free on here to make a profit. If you think that is the work of someone out to help people then heaven help if he were out to stab you in the back!

[KeithinFrance]

So lets get this right then, you are offering cues and not making any profit from it. Do you think I/we on this forum were born yesterday?

You are always out to snap up cues from other members either on here or on Ebay and then the next thing they are listed on here a week or so later so you tell me, what's the deal?

If you don't want to buy, then don't. Is Andrew holding a gun to anyone's head to force them to buy anything? The key word here is OFFERING cues, if you're not interested then don't bid. Simple.

[KeithinFrance]

fact is the cue was listed on Ebay last week, I remember it as there were a few interested buyers. AdR comes in and deprives them of a chance as he being a dealer decides to offer Archalf to end the listing early, neither have to pay commission to Ebay and the innocent potential buyers on Ebay are conned out of a chance to buy the cue. Then he advertises it for free on here to make a profit. If you think that is the work of someone out to help people then heaven help if he were out to stab you in the back!

Do you want to pay eBay's fees on top of the cost of the cue?? No, neither do I.

[cueman]

If you don't want to buy, then don't. Is Andrew holding a gun to anyone's head to force them to buy anything? The key word here is OFFERING cues, if you're not interested then don't bid. Simple.

No I don't but its the principle I don't agree with. Does ADR pay the site owner for using their webspace to sell on the cues they've snapped up? There is a large audience on here, and yes whilst its great if members can help each other out its a bit different when there is one person doing all the deals. I've seen him try and snap up other cues off members on here if he's interested or if the price is right so he can make a profit at a later date. Its just the principle of it all I totally don't agree with.

[cueman]

Do you want to pay eBay's fees on top of the cost of the cue?? No, neither do I.

SO you think its acceptable then that you do all your business for free with someone else's webspace? How would you like it if you ran a site and people came on and did all their business through it.

[Oldgit]

All I will say on this matter is that Adr147 (Andrew Ramsay) has personally helped me more times that I care to remember usually for absolutely no cost at all. He has NEVER asked for anything in return!!

Just one example of Andrew.......a couple of years ago I was talking to a main tour snooker pro and he mentioned that he would like to try a 'Talisman' tip so I telephoned Andrew and he sent the pro 6 tips immediately and wouldn't take payment for them.

Anyone who can get round the rising ebay and paypal fees deserves my admiration!!

Oldgit

[RGCirencester]

I personally dont agree with ebays policies these days, unless they've changed them all listings are required to offer paypal, which is owned by ebay! I have no issue with ADR selling the cue on here, it will go to a good home for a fair price that the new owner is willing to pay.

If the "site owners" felt the same as you they could easily ask him to stop. How many threads have you seen with people joining just to find out how to contact trevor white? Should we put him out of business too?

[ADR147]

No I don't but its the principle I don't agree with. Does ADR pay the site owner for using their webspace to sell on the cues they've snapped up? There is a large audience on here, and yes whilst its great if members can help each other out its a bit different when there is one person doing all the deals. I've seen him try and snap up other cues off members on here if he's interested or if the price is right so he can make a profit at a later date. Its just the principle of it all I totally don't agree with.

i buy cues from anywhere and anyone and yes the idea is to make a profit - should i live in a box under a bridge somewhere or should there be some level of reward for my efforts knowledge and experience?

if you must know i paid £270 for the cue. as for why i put it on here, that was to help out forum members not to line my own pockets - trust me it is not a difficult cue to sell.

as for using the forum as a business tool i have NEVER done that, and only ever offered impartial advice. try and find another forum on any topic where somebody like me offers their expeience to anyone who asks for nothing.