John Parris Ambassador Cue for sale

[poolqjunkie]

How do you remove epoxy with nail polish remover?

If the person who did the job made a big mess with epoxy all over the place after the ferrule was put on, I would think the least he could do is at least re-oil the cue. If this nail polish could lighten the color of the wood, then perhaps he could use it to clean up the whole cue and then oil it so it will have the same tone. Who did the work?

Why would anyone use such a ferrule on a snooker cue is totally beyond me.

Personally, the cue looks to have been sanded down after the ferrule was put on. I have to agree that it is not the same cue once something like that was done. To put a canvas phenolic ferrule on a snooker cue will greatly lower the value of the cue, and it is just real strange.

[cuetips]

[QUOTE=poolqjunkie;378999]How do you remove epoxy with nail polish remover?:confused

*** I guess if you have never put a ferrule on a cue or even a tip for that matter, then you wouldn't know. Obviously, the epoxy was still in a liquid state, and to remove any excess while installation is going on, nail polish remover is by far the best solvent to do this. When you put a tip on a cue, you get the excess glue ( usually Loctite crazy glue )coming out from underneath, but this can be removed with simply a paper towel. The removal of the exposy requires a little more casue if you try to wipe it off, you generally spread more or it than you're removing, thus leaving a coating of glue on the shaft.********************************************

If the person who did the job made a big mess with epoxy all over the place after the ferrule was put on, I would think the least he could do is at least re-oil the cue. If this nail polish could lighten the color of the wood, then perhaps he could use it to clean up the whole cue and then oil it so it will have the same tone. Who did the work?

******** after the ferrule was replaced, it was only a small section where the oil was removed ( 1 inch), and the owner of the cue didn;t want to re-oil the whole cue and remove the bulk of the patina already there. He felt that if he played with it over the next period of time, the natural oils from the hand mixed with all the other contaminents in this world we live it would rematch the colouring of the original part of the cue eventually.****************


Why would anyone use such a ferrule on a snooker cue is totally beyond me.

******** again, everyone has their own opinions on whether a cue hits better with a brass, pvc, or phelonic ferrule, and in the world I live it, I don;t prejudge anyones decision to customize the cue to their liking, no different than one player stating that the only tips that are decent are Blue Diamonds, where someone else feels that a Triangle or an Elk Master or even a Moori is the nuts as far as tips go.**************************************


Personally, the cue looks to have been sanded down after the ferrule was put on.

************* you are entitled to your opinion on what things look like, but I can confirm this cue has never had sandpaper put to it, other than to scruff the tip***********************************************

I have to agree that it is not the same cue once something like that was done. To put a canvas phenolic ferrule on a snooker cue will greatly lower the value of the cue, and it is just real strange.

***** Here again, to state that the cue value is lowered greatly is your opinion which you are entitled to , but the cost to replace the ferrule with a brass one is only $10 Canadian plus choice of tip, so if you are saying that $20 Canadian ( around 10 pounds) is a great deal of value to you, we have a difference of opinion. Have you ever played with a cue that had a PVC or phelonic ferrule, if not, than your opinion is baseless in my opinion**** ****** ************************************************** *

Hopefuly I clarified things a little better for you, and I would suggest if you you were looking to make an offer fo the cue, it should definately be a bit more than a couple of pounds ( that to me would be like someone was trying to steal this cue from my client) .

Good luck in your search for a cue

Regards
Walter

[poolqjunkie]

Thank you.

First of all, it is spelled "phenolic", which is very commonly used as tips and ferrules for break and jump cues in the American 9 ball world, but not common at all as playing cue even for pool.

I have never seen any decent pool playing shaft coming with such a ferrule. You are saying this is very popular in Canada now?

Other than on break and jump cues, I have only seen one such ferrule on a Tom Gauthier cue that my friend has, and everyone who has tried his cue gave him a puzzled look. I have tried it, and it does not hit like any Gauthier shaft I have tried. It is lifeless. May be it is not just the ferrule, I don't know. That is just my opinion.

Fiber ferrule is a different story. I believe black fiber ferrule was a traditional choice of ferrule for Canadian players, and it is common to see that being put on by the "old school" snooker players who grow up playing with this type of ferrule. Cliff Thorburn was playing with a cue with a black ferrule when he was in England. I can understand if it has a black ferrule put on, but a ferrule used only on US break and jump cues, it is real strange. It is like putting on a phenolic tip on your snooker cue.

In my opinion, the whiteness under the ferrule is an indication of a poor ferrule job. Do you think if you send your 10 years old cue to have a ferrule changed by Trevor, Mike, John, or anyone decent that it will come back like that?

In my opinion, this cue is not really worth that much more than may be CND$250. The fact that it is cracked at the butt, plus the fact that it is just a entry level John Parris, not to mention you are only including a very poor quality Chinese case, and the buyer will have to get a new ferrule put on, and take the risk that may be something else was messed up when the ferrule was installed. And like ADR147 says, it is not original is not original.

By the way, you did not tell us who did the ferrule.


Just being honest with you with my opinion. Sorry.

[noel]

PJ... phenolic ferrules can be found on lots of snooker cues in Canada...
Dufferin, Gauthier, and in particular (as it was one of my favourites),
Marcel Jacques cues which also had a phenolic joint.... see picture...
they were meant to have a more direct feel than the hard metallic "ding " quality of brass.





=o)

Noel

[cuetips]

Thank you.

First of all, it is spelled "phenolic", which is very commonly used as tips and ferrules for break and jump cues in the American 9 ball world, but not common at all as playing cue even for pool.

I have never seen any decent pool playing shaft coming with such a ferrule. You are saying this is very popular in Canada now?

Other than on break and jump cues, I have only seen one such ferrule on a Tom Gauthier cue that my friend has, and everyone who has tried his cue gave him a puzzled look. I have tried it, and it does not hit like any Gauthier shaft I have tried. It is lifeless. May be it is not just the ferrule, I don't know. That is just my opinion.

Fiber ferrule is a different story. I believe black fiber ferrule was a traditional choice of ferrule for Canadian players, and it is common to see that being put on by the "old school" snooker players who grow up playing with this type of ferrule. Cliff Thorburn was playing with a cue with a black ferrule when he was in England. I can understand if it has a black ferrule put on, but a ferrule used only on US break and jump cues, it is real strange. It is like putting on a phenolic tip on your snooker cue.

In my opinion, the whiteness under the ferrule is an indication of a poor ferrule job. Do you think if you send your 10 years old cue to have a ferrule changed by Trevor, Mike, John, or anyone decent that it will come back like that?

In my opinion, this cue is not really worth that much more than may be CND$250. The fact that it is cracked at the butt, plus the fact that it is just a entry level John Parris, not to mention you are only including a very poor quality Chinese case, and the buyer will have to get a new ferrule put on, and take the risk that may be something else was messed up when the ferrule was installed. And like ADR147 says, it is not original is not original.

By the way, you did not tell us who did the ferrule.


Just being honest with you with my opinion. Sorry.

No need to be sorry cause you don;t know what's going on in Canada or the US with the advancement in cues. I know of at least 2 dozen players in London , Ontario, Canada, who had these ferrules put on to replace their existing white or brass ferrules, and they claim the hit improved immensely ( again, this is subjective and only applies to the person giving the opinion.

Good thing about opinions, they're a dime a dozen and everyone is entitled to as many as they like

Again, thanks for your input

Have a great day
Walter

[poolqjunkie]

PJ... phenolic ferrules can be found on lots of snooker cues in Canada...
Dufferin, Gauthier, and in particular (as it was one of my favourites),
Marcel Jacques cues which also had a phenolic joint.... see picture...
they were meant to have a more direct feel than the hard metallic "ding " quality of brass.





=o)

Noel

Thanks Noel.

Does this cue you showed have a canvas phenolic ferrule? Can you show me a picture?

I have never seen Gauthier or even Dufferin cues with a phenolic ferrule unless it was later on replaced. I have seen them with brass, and white or black fiber ferrules. I am not aware that this choice is popular in Canada at all, although I am located in Canada.

Just that we are clear, we are not talking about the black ferrule, but the brown canvas phenolic ferrule which is made of canvas with a very distinct wavy grain.

I am not familiar with Marcel cues, thanks for the picture and the info.

So, does any top players in your area or anyone you know play with this ferrule for the added benefit of the alleged more "feel"?

There are many kinds of phenolic materials. The one used on that Parris cue is canvas phenolic from what I understand. There are also paper phenolic, linen phenolic and so on. The black ferrule from what I gather is made from a much softer material called acetate(spelling?) or something similiar. I have also seen black buckhorn ferrules used on pool and snooker cues. White ferrules used on US pool cues come in all kinds of materials with all kinds of names, LBM, Aegis, ivory, ivorene, glass epoxy, melamine...etc. I have seen Gauthier cues made with white, black, and brass ferrules.

Regardless, I have never seen or heard of Gauthier building a cue with a brown canvas ferrule, either have I seen any snooker cue built that way for that matter.

But it is a good thing to learn something new if it is true, I guess.

[ste bed]

they use to be used alot in england very common on antique cues but i have'nt seen them used on any modern cues.

[poolqjunkie]

Thanks Ste, I did not know that. I have seen these phenolic being used on American pool cues(break/jump) for decades, but I do not know they were used on UK snooker cues even before that.

I do know that if they are machined with a very thin wall, they may crack. They are quite brittle and brass will likely stand impact better because it is more ductile.

[ste bed]

the ferrulls used to be made of somekind of fibre i think you will have seen them there a redish colour you see them alot on the older cues a few of the older lads in our club still have cues with these on and in my opinion there's not much difference apart from they dont seem to hold there shape very well they all end up looking like a olive from a compresion joint and they look crap especially the phenolic joints.

[poolqjunkie]

the ferrulls used to be made of somekind of fibre i think you will have seen them there a redish colour you see them alot on the older cues a few of the older lads in our club still have cues with these on and in my opinion there's not much difference apart from they dont seem to hold there shape very well they all end up looking like a olive from a compresion joint and they look crap especially the phenolic joints.

Phenolic usually do not deform that much when subjected to too much compression, it will just crack. From the way you have described these old ferrules, I would guess perhaps they are made of some soft fibre, such as the black ferrule that was very common in Canada. It almost feels like PVC (it might be actaully), is very soft, and easy to crack or deform. I have seen some that are hourglass shaped from the owner rubbing old chalk on the ferrule repeatedly.
I am not a big fan of phenolic joint. If it is made of ivory then I don't mind

[leotsou]

does these items still aviliable?? if so, so is the price?? and pls advise the shipment charges as my location is at HK...

Cheers..

Leo.T

[cuetips]

does these items still aviliable?? if so, so is the price?? and pls advise the shipment charges as my location is at HK...

Cheers..

Leo.T

Cue is still available. Shipping to HK would be $40 USD
Looking for reasonable offer over $600 USD

[leotsou]

Sorry that I had purchase another JP online ....

[ezio]

what is the price?? and you will shipp it to malta??

[TBP1980]

I am interrested if you still have the cue. is it in good condition and what price range are you looking for?