talisman tips are rubbish dont buy

[Jonny]

Thing is though, elks may be inconcistent but they are cheap and you can buy 50 for as much as 2 talismans, you're bound to find 2 good elks

[ddsisters]

100% agree. Talisman are rubish.
Elk is trusted with nice feel .

[poolqjunkie]

Thing is though, elks may be inconcistent but they are cheap and you can buy 50 for as much as 2 talismans, you're bound to find 2 good elks

I see what you are saying, and I agree that Talisman is more expensive.

However, I am under the impression that only the quality of Talisman tip is being discussed, not the price.

For myself, I have used many Talisman tips, and never have a problem. But with Elk, it is a nightmare. So, quality wise, I have to say Elk is much worst in terms of consistency speaking from personal experience.

If someone blind picks 10 Elk and 10 Talisman and asks me to install them on my cue before an important match, I would not have much confidence in the 10 blind picked Elk masters; but I can honestly say I would not mind to play with 1 of the 10 Talisman tips right away. I would trust a blind picked Talisman over a blind picked Elk or Blue Diamond any day.

If you want to agure that with a certain given amount of money you can buy less Talisman and more Elk and out of the larger batch of Elk you are bound to find a good one if you look carefully enough I cannot disagree with you.

It is just that with Talisman, I do not need to take the time to find a good one, as they are much more consistent. Not to mention they last much longer.

About the price issue, if someone buys a Talisman from me and it delaminates--regardless of the reason, I will send them another tip totally free of charge.

So far, I only have done this once and I have installed and sold more than 100.

I am only speaking from my own experience. May be someone out there happens to have a very bad batch, but I have not encountered anything like that yet.

[Terry Davidson]

First of all, with any layered tip you have to treat them a little differently. You must NOT turn the cue over and cut off the excess with a craft knife and you must NOT use sandpaper to shape it, use a fine metal file and then a metal nailfile to do the final shaping.

I have no problem with Talisman and I install and shape them as above.

I suspect the de-layering is coming from people who turn the cue over and cut off the excess with a craft knife and no matter how sharp the knife and how careful they are there is still pressure applied to the tip in the wrong direction

Terry

[Mr O]

Dont get on with talismans at all. Tried the water buffalo ones first, too hard, then tried the pro medium and soft and found all of them too hard, like there's no absorbtion or grip on the white. Still got one pro soft left 9mm . Anyone want it free of charge you can have the damn thing, I wont be using it

[paulshep]

thanks for comments on talisman tips,will try a medium out and let you know what i think of them thanks paul

[Looki]

I've had Talisman soft for 6 months or so and it still has great feel, best tip I've ever used. Normally I would've used 3-4 tips in the same period of time. I've tried mediums too but those broke pretty easily. I think it's a matter of how you install and shape it, use the rigth tools, as Terry said.

[Mark Selby Fan]

Mike Wooldridge Supertips

Hi

Why not try Mike Wooldridge Supertips.

http://www.handmadecues.com/extras/22-supertips.htm

It says on his site that 'they are like getting a good elkmaster every time.'

They sound great. They are expensive but I have heard that they are worth every penny (check out the testimonials on his site).

Availible from ADR147.

[Bulkie]

First of all, with any layered tip you have to treat them a little differently. You must NOT turn the cue over and cut off the excess with a craft knife and you must NOT use sandpaper to shape it, use a fine metal file and then a metal nailfile to do the final shaping.

I have no problem with Talisman and I install and shape them as above.

I suspect the de-layering is coming from people who turn the cue over and cut off the excess with a craft knife and no matter how sharp the knife and how careful they are there is still pressure applied to the tip in the wrong direction

Terry

Hi Terry,

Is it ok to leave the talisman in as a mushroom then? Considering a 10mm tip with a 11mm talisman. Shaping it correctly sounds scary.

[The Doctor]

What a load or rubbish("talisman are no good")
I was probably one of the first to use Talisman and in my case there has never been a problem with them(and i have been using them for around 4 years. It is more likely that it is being installed improperly.
They can de-laminate quite easily. The thing you must do is use a very sharp Stanley or scalpel. If you use an old blade it will more than likely do this.
Also try not to push down when cutting, instead use a side cutting movement and this will stop it de-laminating.
I introduced Mr Higgins to these tips a few years ago(when i was his full time coach) and he has stayed with them and finds an enormous difference from the standard pressed tip, and he is not doing too bad with them.
I suppose it has to do with personal experience and preference, but please don't say they are rubbish, because that is simple not true.

[s1ivv3r]

First of all, with any layered tip you have to treat them a little differently. You must NOT turn the cue over and cut off the excess with a craft knife and you must NOT use sandpaper to shape it, use a fine metal file and then a metal nailfile to do the final shaping.

I have no problem with Talisman and I install and shape them as above.

I suspect the de-layering is coming from people who turn the cue over and cut off the excess with a craft knife and no matter how sharp the knife and how careful they are there is still pressure applied to the tip in the wrong direction

Terry

Terry i don't disagree with very much, well nothing really, you say on here but i have had absolutely no problem trimming talismans down this way.. i'm very impatient and i'm not gonna **** about with an 11mm talisman on a 9.5mm ferrule with a poxy nail file... lol

Dont get on with talismans at all. Tried the water buffalo ones first, too hard, then tried the pro medium and soft and found all of them too hard, like there's no absorbtion or grip on the white. Still got one pro soft left 9mm . Anyone want it free of charge you can have the damn thing, I wont be using it

And Mr O... talisman tips are one of the grippiest tips i have ever played with.. you can get a lot of action with very little cue power with these tips... examples are Ronnie and John that i know off!!.. just to clarify too... if you ask ADR147 he will tell you the only good talismans for snooker are the 11mm ones... the other ones are too hard!!!

[Terry Davidson]

bulkie:

If you do not trim the 11mm tip and let it mushroom then you will be playing with an 11.5mm tip when your cue is designed and ferruled for a 10mm tip. If that's alright with you then you can leave it, but I wouldn't recommend playing snooker with an 11.5mm tip.

You can go to any DIY store (or called hardware stores in North America) and get a fine metal file. I have a 9.5mm ferrule and put on a newer 10mm Talisman Soft tip and with the file it is no problem to take it down the 0.5mm in quick time, and then I do the final shaping with a metal nail file that you can get at any chemist (Boots?) and they have a coarse and a fine side which works perfectly.

Just hold the cue across your leg and ensure you file downwards on the tip towards the cue with both the file and the nailfile. This way there is no chance you will loosen the laminated layers on the tip. I have installed 4 Talisman so far and haven't had any problems with any of them.

Terry

[JazzyJust]

I've been using Talisman tips for the last 3 or 4 season at both snooker and pool, and I've not had any problems with them, I've tried Mike's SuperTip they are also a good tip.

The feel you can get with either the Talisman or the SuperTip is amazing, I moved back to snooker after a few years of playing on the 9 ball tour, so like playing with side with either of these tips I can get so much side and control.

I would never go back to an Elkmaster again.

[RGCirencester]

What a load or rubbish("talisman are no good")
I was probably one of the first to use Talisman and in my case there has never been a problem with them(and i have been using them for around 4 years. It is more likely that it is being installed improperly.
They can de-laminate quite easily. The thing you must do is use a very sharp Stanley or scalpel. If you use an old blade it will more than likely do this.
Also try not to push down when cutting, instead use a side cutting movement and this will stop it de-laminating.
I introduced Mr Higgins to these tips a few years ago(when i was his full time coach) and he has stayed with them and finds an enormous difference from the standard pressed tip, and he is not doing too bad with them.
I suppose it has to do with personal experience and preference, but please don't say they are rubbish, because that is simple not true.

Steve Davis said on his twitter that John is currently using a kamui hard tip
http://www.thesnookerforum.com/board...ad.php?t=22615

[Bulkie]

bulkie:

If you do not trim the 11mm tip and let it mushroom then you will be playing with an 11.5mm tip when your cue is designed and ferruled for a 10mm tip. If that's alright with you then you can leave it, but I wouldn't recommend playing snooker with an 11.5mm tip.

You can go to any DIY store (or called hardware stores in North America) and get a fine metal file. I have a 9.5mm ferrule and put on a newer 10mm Talisman Soft tip and with the file it is no problem to take it down the 0.5mm in quick time, and then I do the final shaping with a metal nail file that you can get at any chemist (Boots?) and they have a coarse and a fine side which works perfectly.

Just hold the cue across your leg and ensure you file downwards on the tip towards the cue with both the file and the nailfile. This way there is no chance you will loosen the laminated layers on the tip. I have installed 4 Talisman so far and haven't had any problems with any of them.

Terry

Filing the talisman downwards from 11mm to 10mm. I'll try that, fingers crossed I won't file my ferrule or shaft lol. I'm pretty clumsy with such.