my stock list of antique cues!

[Snook1]

I can back up Andrews credentials too(not that i probably need to).
I am pretty sure if you had asked him to take it back for the reasons stated, he would have done so.

I have been playing snooker with a guy who said to me ADR is your man, got me a copy of the tip guide and said he was the best place to get tips etc. So naturally when I seen the cue on ebay with seller ADR I thought I couldn't go wrong. But as said before I should have inspected the cue myself before leaving feedback.

[ADR147]

I still have the pm conversations saved in my inbox and sent items and I tried to get you to offer a refund but you weren't interested.

i find that odd - why would i not be interested?

[Snook1]

i find that odd - why would i not be interested?

This is the pm conversation we had. I gave up as I didn't think I was getting anywhere.


Originally Posted by Snook1
Hello

A few months back I bought a Camkin maple cue from yourself via ebay advertised under old antique cues.

It arrived at my house while I was offshore so the missus inspected it and said it looked ok so I gave positive feedback. However when I got home from offshore I checked the cue and it was severly warped to the extent it wasn't even playable. So realising I had left positive feedback I was stuck with it. I then sent it of to a fairly well know cuemaker for repair and this is what he had to say:-

mmm, we have a problem with the camkin....

for starters, its not maple. i've seen this wood a few times on old cues, in fact i have one here myself

i've never really known for sure what it is but think it could be hornbeam

anyway, this 's' bend you spoke of is NASTY!

problem is, it is not just in the shaft. otherwise i could do something with it.

this one has a major bend under the splices which is impossible to get out.

so, i can only do what i can with the shaft but if you roll the cue it will wobble like mad cos of the lower bend.

you want me to carry on and try to get shaft as straight as possible?

I feel somewhat ripped off after paying around £110 for this cue which wasn't accuratly described and going by what the cuemaker says almost totally u/s. It has also cost me a further £90 for the repair work.

I believe you are quite a reputable trader in cues and would ask for some sort of compensation or at least take the cue back and offer a refund.

Thanks

Snook1


ADR
the cue maker got in touch with me about it to find out what the wood was and about camkin cues! - i think if this cue was sold by me it must have been in jan/feb do you seriously expect me to guarantee the straightness of an 80-90 year old cue?

Snook1
No, I wouldn't expect you to guarantee straightness but I do expect you to accurately describe the cue like it has a chicane in the shaft and that it isn't maple. If your description even hinted at a wobble in the shaft I wouldn't have bought it. I expected it to be atleast playable.

I accept some blame for not inspecting the cue myself before leaving feed back but I put some trust in you as a reputable trader.

ADR


if it were not maple and you bought it from me i would have said so, i don't think this is something i would get wrong?




I gave up at this point.

[gazza147]

Snook1 - Why take this Up on his Thread! or Even on this Forum?

You should have Contacted ADR either throu PM Message or E-mail.

I have know Andrew very very long Time and hes the Most Genuine Guy I have dealt with, If you had a Problem why didn't you Contact Andrew ASAP when you bought the Cue or when you got Home!

This is Not the Place to Slag anybody off is it? As I thought this forum is to Help Each Other Out not make enemies.

[Mr P]

Snook? You have 49 posts, ADR has about 6,000. Who do you think the forum will trust more?

[hotpot]

I dont think nobody should comment without knowing the full facts

[Mr P]

I dont think nobody should comment without knowing the full facts

Perhaps you are right. If this is aimed at me, sorry

[hotpot]

Perhaps you are right. If this is aimed at me, sorry

No mr P not aimed at any individual but i dont think it,s right for people to start chucking their ten penneth worth in without knowing what went on . its not right to question anyones integrity unless you have 100 proof to do so .

[Giggity1984]

I gave up at this point.

You "gave up" a bit early. Frankly, your conducting yourself disgracefully. Anyone with a pair of eyes can see YOU made a mistake here. Stop trying to tarnish someone else's name. It was a 90 year old cue for christ's sake LOL!

"Excuse me, but my Ford Model T isn't as fast as my Evo XI, it's not as described on Ebay!"

[ADR147]

not sure which part of that looks bad for me! - you bought a camkin for £110 you are doing well! - now for some details

you bought the cue and then so long later that i could not remember said i had sold a bent cue - i sell a lot of cues but we must be talking a number of months before you got in touch.

second to find out what the shaft wood was without knowing the cue had come from me - mike asked me!

thirdly - I would never knowingly deceive anybody about the condition of a cue. whats the point? is it seriously likely that for a £10 hit that i might take for stating a cue was not straight that i would risk leaving myself open to attack via either ebay feedback or on a public forum such as this where i am a well known person. the loss of future sales is obvious, and the idea that i am not smart enough to know this ridiculous.

[Mr P]

No mr P not aimed at any individual but i dont think it,s right for people to start chucking their ten penneth worth in without knowing what went on . its not right to question anyones integrity unless you have 100 proof to do so .

Ok mate, I see where you're coming from

[Snookster]

Mr ADR

Mr ADR

Can you please send me the list of cues you have for sale with photos
your ebay page doesn't have many old cues compared to the list you posted on here.
If possible send me your email, i cant PM here yet

Thanks

[ADR147]

i don't tend to put many old cues on ebay - its because the old cues is a personal thing not a business whereas on ebay i have to declare for tax - complex i know but its a real pain to list an old cue and extract all the figures from what you actually end up with - did any of that make sense? i can take a photo of anything you like and post it here?

[perpetualboredom]

i don't tend to put many old cues on ebay - its because the old cues is a personal thing not a business whereas on ebay i have to declare for tax - complex i know but its a real pain to list an old cue and extract all the figures from what you actually end up with - did any of that make sense? i can take a photo of anything you like and post it here?

Very complex issue as an aside (sorry for going off topic), as far as understand it from fellow bean counters in the office, anything bought with the intention of making a profit is strictly taxable....

[Snookster]

Hi again

Check your ebay email

Thanks