my stock list of antique cues!

[Snook1]

yes its a one piece and straight i would be happy to ship to canada but unfortunately because of length it would cost about £40.

Well you sold me a buckled Camkin maple which was hornbeam that Mike Wooldridge wasn't able to straighten.

[ADR147]

Well you sold me a buckled Camkin maple which was herrinbone that Mike Wooldridge wasn't able to straighten.

well i don't remember that but i can say i am sure i would have taken it back had you asked - and any cue can be straightened!

[perpetualboredom]

Well you sold me a buckled Camkin maple which was herrinbone that Mike Wooldridge wasn't able to straighten.

If staightness and stiffness is a top priority I wouldn't advise anyone to go for an old cue, there are plenty of modern cues out there that do that just fine. Lumps bumps and bends are all part of the charm of old cues in my opinion, your talking about a natural produce 50+ years old, so being less than perfect is somewhat inevitable.

*edit*
True Andrew, so far Dave at craftsman has straightened everything I've thrown at him.. I'm picking up one of Thursday that was like a fishing rod at full bend, so we'll see if I've stumped him with this one!

[ADR147]

If staightness and stiffness is a top priority I wouldn't advise anyone to go for an old cue, there are plenty of modern cues out there that do that just fine. Lumps bumps and bends are all part of the charm of old cues in my opinion, your talking about a natural produce 50+ years old, so being less than perfect is somewhat inevitable.

true but most can be straightened and most dents etc removed. - straightness is also extremely over-rated as a priority for a playing cue - all that matters is that the cue will play the same shot the same way everytime.

[ADR147]

FOR SALE FOR A FRIEND ALSO THIS. I WILL PASS ON ANY OFFERS.

















BADGE BEFORE HAND - SO YOU KNOW ITS GENUINE!

[Snook1]

I bought the Camkin maple about a year ago from ADR via ebay, I was away at work when it arrived so I asked the wife to have a look and she said yep looks like a cue to me!!! So I left positive feedback on ebay (first mistake) I arrived home and inspected the cue rolled it on the floor and thought WTF it was in a awful state. So I thought yea I fooked up here so I will send the cue to Mike Wooldridge Master Cuemaker and he will sort it for me at my cost!!

Mike Wooldridge's actual reply:-

mmm, we have a problem with the camkin....

for starters, its not maple. i've seen this wood a few times on old cues, in fact i have one here myself

i've never really known for sure what it is but think it could be hornbeam

anyway, this 's' bend you spoke of is NASTY!

problem is, it is not just in the shaft. otherwise i could do something with it.

this one has a major bend under the splices which is impossible to get out.

so, i can only do what i can with the shaft but if you roll the cue it will wobble like mad cos of the lower bend.

you want me to carry on and try to get shaft as straight as possible?


All I'm saying is people beware of old some old cues as they may be buckled. Don't get caught out as I did.

[warren132]

All i can say in ADR,S defence is that he has always been truthful when selling a cue on here or via ebay..maybe if you had asked for a bit more info on the que in question then you might have changed your mind and not went through with the purchase ! and with any old cues sold on ebay then i think it is all just down pot luck if you get a bent or warped cue....hope you have learned your lesson instead of maybe just jumping in...

[Snook1]

All i can say in ADR,S defence is that he has always been truthful when selling a cue on here or via ebay..maybe if you had asked for a bit more info on the que in question then you might have changed your mind and not whent through with the purchase ! and with any old cues sold on ebay then i think it is all just down pot luck if you get a bent or warped cue....hope you have learned your lesson instead of maybe just jumping in...

Yes mate I did learn a lesson. But had the cue been accuratly described I definetely would not have bought it.

[Giggity1984]

Yes mate I did learn a lesson. But had the cue been accuratly described I definetely would not have bought it.

I think the point YOU'RE missing is that its a vintage cue. You wouldn't buy a 50 yar old car and expect it to be as good as the day it left the showroom. If you wanted a piston straight cue, buy a modern one. If you wanted a piece of snooker heritage, buy an old one and dw bout(and in fact expect and relish) the kinks, dents, flat out warps and buckles of it. If you wanted to know it's condition, you could (and should) of asked. Ignorance is a terrible thing and has cost you dearly. Like you said, you've learnt your lesson.

[Snook1]

I think the point YOU'RE missing is that its a vintage cue. You wouldn't buy a 50 yar old car and expect it to be as good as the day it left the showroom. If you wanted a piston straight cue, buy a modern one. If you wanted a piece of snooker heritage, buy an old one and dw bout(and in fact expect and relish) the kinks, dents, flat out warps and buckles of it. If you wanted to know it's condition, you could (and should) of asked. Ignorance is a terrible thing and has cost you dearly. Like you said, you've learnt your lesson.

No mate I got the point about vintage cues and wanted a cue that had dents and character to it. I already had a MW custom cue which is spot on.

The Point YOU'RE missing is ebay requires that you accurately describe the item you are selling. ie vintage Camkin maple cue.

When yes it was vintage but it wasn't maple it was hornbeam so I was miss sold on wood description for starters. Then if it said slight kink or minor bend that would have been fair enough also, but no mention of an unrepairable bent under the ebony splices.

I had a bad experience which hasn't cost that dearly but when I seen this post I thought it only fair to warn potential buyers.

If it has a buckle, say so. etc etc

[Giggity1984]

No mate I got the point about vintage cues and wanted a cue that had dents and character to it. I already had a MW custom cue which is spot on.

The Point YOU'RE missing is ebay requires that you accurately describe the item you are selling. ie vintage Camkin maple cue.

When yes it was vintage but it wasn't maple it was hornbeam so I was miss sold on wood description for starters. Then if it said slight kink or minor bend that would have been fair enough also, but no mention of an unrepairable bent under the ebony splices.

I had a bad experience which hasn't cost that dearly but when I seen this post I thought it only fair to warn potential buyers.

If it has a buckle, say so. etc etc

meh, sounds pretty weak to me. I think the main difference is that potential buyers will ask about the cue condition before buying. Seems the sensible thing to do.

[ADR147]

I bought the Camkin maple about a year ago from ADR via ebay, I was away at work when it arrived so I asked the wife to have a look and she said yep looks like a cue to me!!! So I left positive feedback on ebay (first mistake) I arrived home and inspected the cue rolled it on the floor and thought WTF it was in a awful state. So I thought yea I fooked up here so I will send the cue to Mike Wooldridge Master Cuemaker and he will sort it for me at my cost!!

Mike Wooldridge's actual reply:-

mmm, we have a problem with the camkin....

for starters, its not maple. i've seen this wood a few times on old cues, in fact i have one here myself

i've never really known for sure what it is but think it could be hornbeam

anyway, this 's' bend you spoke of is NASTY!

problem is, it is not just in the shaft. otherwise i could do something with it.

this one has a major bend under the splices which is impossible to get out.

so, i can only do what i can with the shaft but if you roll the cue it will wobble like mad cos of the lower bend.

you want me to carry on and try to get shaft as straight as possible?


All I'm saying is people beware of old some old cues as they may be buckled. Don't get caught out as I did.

so did you speak to me .... no .... did you make the first mistake of all people who know nothing about cues and roll it to see if it was level ...yes - you can't have a bend under the splices - mike is friend but you must be taking what he says out of context otherwise the splices would move!

[ADR147]

No mate I got the point about vintage cues and wanted a cue that had dents and character to it. I already had a MW custom cue which is spot on.

The Point YOU'RE missing is ebay requires that you accurately describe the item you are selling. ie vintage Camkin maple cue.

When yes it was vintage but it wasn't maple it was hornbeam so I was miss sold on wood description for starters. Then if it said slight kink or minor bend that would have been fair enough also, but no mention of an unrepairable bent under the ebony splices.

I had a bad experience which hasn't cost that dearly but when I seen this post I thought it only fair to warn potential buyers.

If it has a buckle, say so. etc etc

i would also like to point out if you had asked me to take it back i would have, as far as i am aware in all the thousends of cues i have sold i have never once refused to take one back, even on ebay. my reputation means a lot more to me than a few quid profit on a cue!

[The Doctor]

I can back up Andrews credentials too(not that i probably need to).
I am pretty sure if you had asked him to take it back for the reasons stated, he would have done so.

[Snook1]

i would also like to point out if you had asked me to take it back i would have, as far as i am aware in all the thousends of cues i have sold i have never once refused to take one back, even on ebay. my reputation means a lot more to me than a few quid profit on a cue!

I still have the pm conversations saved in my inbox and sent items and I tried to get you to offer a refund but you weren't interested.