Very Rare 1pc Joe Davis Exhibition 147 Ash Cue with the Weight Stamp

[Burwat Champ]

Your names not Chris by Any Chance!!


Gaz.

Hi,

No I am not Chris, he is a friend of mine.

My name is Tony and up untill 4 years ago I was an avid collector and had a collection that would at least match anybody's in the country.

My post with the link to Chris' sight was in no means a way to try and dispute the scarcity of your cue as I had in excess of 100 cues and I have only seen 3 147 cues with a side ways stamp, your cue and the 2 that Chris has.

I did have a Joe Davis cue with sideways stamp but mine was a 146 with red writing that was also hand signed 'Best wishes, Joe Davis' which I regrettably had to sell along with the rest of my collection.

I did speak to Chris about your cue to get his opinion on the value of the cue as in my opinion Chris is second to none when it comes to anything Joe Davis related, I had an idea in my head of the value that I would put on the cue and Chris' valuation was the same as what I had come up with and it is more than the offers that have been put forward on this thread.

Chris did back up the fact that he believes these cues were given out at special exhibitions, and I also done a little digging years back to check the side ways stamp on my 146 and came to the same conclusion.

I only done a little digging around because I have decided after 5 years I am going to rebuild my collection and im tinkering with the idea of starting with a Joe Davis collection and this without doubt would be a nice addition to anybodys collection.

[gazza147]

Hi Tony,

Thanks for your Reply.

Tony as you know then as you were a Collector and many other Collectors know this is a Rare Cue which you Dont see very often at all and if you want it send me a PM with a sensible offer close to what im after and you can have it m8 as i Sold all my collection of old cues and memorbillia 2yrs ago.

Tony please keep in touch if you are wanting to start your collection up again as i do take in old cues etc in Part/Ex and do get offerd cues, memorbillia all the time.


Gaz.

[100-uper]

Chris did back up the fact that he believes these cues were given out at special exhibitions, and I also done a little digging years back to check the side ways stamp on my 146 and came to the same conclusion.

I would be interested in more details of your research linking the side stamp to exhibitions, particularly if you know which one(s) and who exhibited them. Contact me by PM if you feel it is not relevant to this thread.

[gazza147]

Chris did back up the fact that he believes these cues were given out at special exhibitions, and I also done a little digging years back to check the side ways stamp on my 146 and came to the same conclusion.

Tony I am Glad you Posted this m8 for those who Doubted what I wrote was InCorrect!


Gaz.

[Burwat Champ]

I would be interested in more details of your research linking the side stamp to exhibitions, particularly if you know which one(s) and who exhibited them. Contact me by PM if you feel it is not relevant to this thread.

Hi,

PM sent

[poolqjunkie]

I just want to say I do enjoy reading this thread very much--all 8 pages of it. :-)
Thanks for all these interesting information on Joe Davis cues.
One question: Is it possible that this cue was a cue purchased by a company without stamp and then was stamped sideway by someone in the factory. I think it would still make it a rare cue, please dont get me wrong. I am just wondering.

[gazza147]

Please Read the Posts Carefully as this Cue was made Specially for the Special Exhibition late 1950's and Purposely had Weight Stamp Side On for this Exhibition same as the 1937 Exhibition which didn't have the 147 Badge on as he didn't make his 147 til 1955.

Hope this Helps.


Gaz.

[perpetualboredom]

Jrc when did I say Chris's cue is a replica ? or Badge?.....This is where people take things and Twist Them. I said the Badge on Chris Cue has Had alittle Ink for sure like most other Old Cues and Most of the Time New Badge Altogether!

I'd like to know how you justify that statement...
.... because it sounds like you're talking out of your... to me.

[gazza147]

perpetualboredom Because I know more than you Obviously! I dont need to keep explaining myself to you or anybody else as I have Nothing to Prove!

The Only one talking out of his A*se is you so " Please dont keep Replying to this Thread Wasting my time and Web Space."


Gaz.

[gazza147]

Anybody who Offers me Close to £120 asap gets this Rare Cue otherwise its Going to Auction or back into my Wardrope....lol

As too be Honest I Only Started this Thread to Sell this Rare Cue but didn't realise the Bickering/Arguing/etc I would have for just £120 which I wouldn't have Botherd if I knew this.

Gaz.

[gazza147]

Right guys you know who you are without naming you 1st one with the Cash or Paypal gets it.

Still For Sale at present £120 ono


Gaz.

[100-uper]

Since last posting on this thread I have been following some lines of investigation regarding the connection between a sideways weight stamp and trade exhibitions. Those who have been following this thread might be interested in the result.

Perhaps the most definitive response comes from Peter Clare, who as most people know is the current Managing Director of Peradon and Thurston. He is unaware of any trade practice of using a sideways stamp as an indicator of an exhibition cue, and as he has a lifetime knowledge of the trade, it can safely be assumed that this was not common practice in the 1950s, or at any other time for that matter. His conclusion is that any such an instance is more likely to be a "mistake" on the part of the person applying the stamp.

Whilst I appreciate Andy Hunter's comments regarding his cues, these at least had a provenance, supported by them being unused and clearly specially constructed. There seems to be no evidence that any other example is anything other than a mistake. I would say however, that this does not necessarily diminish its rarity, and as to its value, I would let others decide.

For the avoidance of doubt, I reproduce Peter Clare's words below:

I do not have any knowledge of, nor am I aware that such a thought re an exhibition 'weight' stamp would have been used.

Just from a practical position why would they do it? When one is looking for an exhibition quality cue the selection does start at the initial production, but you could end up with say twelve cues to select from once they were finished. I cannot therefore see any reason for 'adjusting' the date stamp orientation. My rather simplistic answer would be that there was a 'new' member of staff who stamped it when it was laying across their bench rather than slightly more awkward way of the person moving to the end of the bench to stamp the weight. Or as there does seem to be a small production of facsimile cues could someone have just made a basic mistake?

I am sorry that I have been rather dismissive of the idea that the weight stamp could indicate anything other that what it was stamped on the cue for.

[gazza147]

I disagree with the Above Post!

The reason why I say this is there are a few Other Joe Davis Exhibition Cues from 1937 with Side Weighted Stamp Inc: 2501 etc etc, And I dont Beleive for One Minute they would Sell or Use these Cues if they Did a Mistake like that. Thats like John Parris Selling a Cue with Badge Wrong Way Around! Which he wouldn't do for sure.


Gaz.

[ADR147]

umm i hate to agree with gaz - because he is barking mad - but if you stamp cues all day the chance of you accidentally stamping one sideways are absolutely nil. it HAS to be a deliberate action.

[gazza147]

Andrew if it was Only 1 of a Kind! Then maybe yes I would Agree with Peter Clare they did do One Accidentally but not Quite few and in Different Model Joe Davis Cues.


Gaz.