Very Rare 1pc Joe Davis Exhibition 147 Ash Cue with the Weight Stamp

[gazza147]

Gazza147 refers to two "major" exhibitions, one in 1937 the other after 1955. These seem to be connected with production of cues with an horizontal weight stamp. I'm just trying to establish what these events were? Seems to be an unpopular question. Can't imagine why.

Peter I haven't Replied til Now as I haven't Long come in as I do have Better things to Do than Sit on the Pc all day, I have Been Told you Can Tell me about These Events althou I have Mentioned above. So please if you Do Know alot more about this Rare Cue please do So m8 as all Info and Advice is Greatly Received.


Gaz.

[gazza147]

Please dont think I am a Arrogant Person or a Know All as thats One thing I am Not! And I appologise if I came across like that in Any of my Posts althou I did Mention in my 1st Post I have Spoken to Andy Hunter Before I listed this Item who 99% of People think has the Most Knowledge in Antique Cues and Collectables.

As Adr147, Neil Taperell, Pete Hutch, Amashun, Hotpot + Many Others know I will Help Anybody Out if I can and Most of the Time for Free!

Gaz.

[ADR147]

Right Guys let me see if I can Answer all your Questions in this Thread and Questions which are in my Inbox which is Nearly Full!

Right guys I think some of you are getting your Wires Crossed here, This Cue with the 147 on the Badge with Weight Stamp Side On was in a Big Sports Exhibition Not a Snooker Exhibition which there were a Few Other Cue Makers Cues there Kent & Co etc etc.

I am trying to get the Full Details of these Events and Some Proof to Show People with Doubts that these Are Correct.

perpetualboredom - As I said I have Only Ever Seen 1 and Andy Hunter has Only Ever Seen 2 so I didn't think you had the Same Cue m8 althou I do give people the Chance to Show me theres if they Have One! and Yes this Cue is Very Very Rare a Joe Davis 1pc Ash 147 Cue with Weight Side On.

100-upper - You said your Keen to Learn! I have been Told Today that you Know everything I would Ever Need to Know so Please You tell me as I am Always willing to Learn as I am Not Saying I am the Most Knowledgeable by Any Means and I have Never Suggested this.

trevs1 - Hi Trevor as I said I will try and Get as much info as possible regarding this Item and Maybe Others with Certain Weight Stamps on.

ste-bed - Hi m8 Peter should know of these 2 Events as I have been Told he Should Know most about These Cues! So I would be more than Welcome for his Knowledge on this Item.

Adr147 - As I said above m8 no it Wasn't a Snooker Exhibition it was a Big Sports Exhibition which Kent & Co etc also had Cues there, But I will try and Find out the Full Details this week if possible.


As I have tried my Best to Reply to all your messages tonight anybody with there Knowledge on this Cue would be very Welcome as I have Nothing to Hide and Haven't Put a Price on this Rare Cue althou I have had Good Advice what it is Worth!

Gaz.

well mate i would bow down to andy's knowledge of such things as exhibitions etc, but i will put my bit in and i think andy will tell you i know a bit about this area - value!

a standard jd 147 will fetch 40-70 depending on condition and a red label one will go for 70-100 again depending on condition in the end the cue is still just a standard 1950's peradon cue and i would guess that even for a jd collector it is worth 80-140 tops - its not going to sell for 200-300 because its basically just a machine spliced cue and rightly or wrongly they top out at about 140 other than for mannocks and early signed wl cues.

[JasonOwen]

Along with Andrew, I would like to think Id know something about the value side of this.
It may be a rare edition but there are not many collectors about who will consider that the weight stamp is worth paying the extra for.
Chris Lloyd has the largest Joe Davis collection and he would be your best bet although he is very shrewd and will recognise it's desirability.
It is one for the purist collector and not different enough for the general collector.

[gazza147]

Thanks for your Views Andrew & Jason but I wouldn't Sell it for £80 that's for Sure!

As I do know abit myself and as you said you have seen Red Plate Joe Davis from £70-£100 and so have I Many of Times and sometimes More! and this is in a Different League and Definately more Collectable.

If you Notice I haven't Mentioned a Price At All as im Not Looking for £200-£300 as Im Only after a Sensible Price as I am Realist and Not a Dreamer.


Gaz.

[gazza147]

Sensible Offers won't be Ignored!

But Please dont Offer me a Silly Price of £50-£80 as I won't even Waste my Time Replying.


Gaz.

[DWOT]

Pretty sure I've seen at least one of these at the Matlock Club where he used to play...

Gonna pop in there this week and have a look!

[100-uper]

Peter I haven't Replied til Now as I haven't Long come in as I do have Better things to Do than Sit on the Pc all day, I have Been Told you Can Tell me about These Events althou I have Mentioned above. So please if you Do Know alot more about this Rare Cue please do So m8 as all Info and Advice is Greatly Received.


Gaz.

I don't know who told you I know everything, but the only reason I post on this forum is because I am continually picking up new information. If I can also share what I know then I am happy to do so.

You haven't given me a date for the exbibition in the 1950s, so I can't check my records. The only one which springs to mind in 1937 is the British Industries Fair which was held at Olympia, London, from 15th-26th February. There was a sports goods section, albeit a small one, although I don't have a list of exhibitors.

One thing I don't understand is why anyone would want to exhibit a fairly ordinary machine splice cue and how a horizontal weight stamp connects it to this event. I'm not even sure who would have made this cue.

[Neil Taperell]

[QUOTE=gazza147;582649]Please dont think I am a Arrogant Person or a Know All as thats One thing I am Not! And I appologise if I came across like that in Any of my Posts althou I did Mention in my 1st Post I have Spoken to Andy Hunter Before I listed this Item who 99% of People think has the Most Knowledge in Antique Cues and Collectables.

As Adr147, Neil Taperell, Pete Hutch, Amashun, Hotpot + Many Others know I will Help Anybody Out if I can and Most of the Time for Free!

You have certainly helped me out Gareth on a number of occassions when purchasing and also given me a large amount of excellent free advice/ knowledge . Hope to deal with you again in the near future .

[jim evans]

Pretty sure I've seen at least one of these at the Matlock Club where he used to play...

Gonna pop in there this week and have a look!

if you find 1 save it for me

[gazza147]

Hi Peter,
A couple of Guys Messaged me and Told me you Know everything about this type of Cue thats the Only reason I mentioned it.

Peter I dont want to Argue with you or anybody else Regarding this Cue as this Isn't the Crown Jewels and I know that all I want is a Sensible Price for a Very Rare Cue.

Like I have already said I have Only ever seen 1 and Andy Hunter as Only ever seen 2? And I dont know Anybody else who has One. So that tells me this is a Very Rare Cue.

If somebody on here does have One I would like to See it and I mean the Complete Cue showing the 147 with Weight Stamp Side On in Ash Full Length as Originally was when made!.

I have spoken to Andy Hunter again last night regarding this Cue and andy said he is going to try and Find out the Complete Story behind these Cues which will Include Exact Date and what Exhibition etc etc.

Sorry I cannot help you anymore.


Gaz.

[100-uper]

I have spoken to Andy Hunter again last night regarding this Cue and andy said he is going to try and Find out the Complete Story behind these Cues which will Include Exact Date and what Exhibition etc etc.

Ah, that must be why Andy emailed last night asking if I was available to talk with him today. I'll ask the question of him when he calls. Incidently, I can reassure you that no matter what anyone may claim on my behalf, I am not an expert on cues. I have a passing knowledge of the companies who manufactured them, and can therefore sometimes supply dates, that's all.

[gazza147]

Hi Peter,
I would Welcome all your Knowledge on this Cue if you have anymore than I have stated as at the Moment all I have said is all I know.

I have spoken to so many people in the last Few Days regarding this Cue and None of them have even Seen One! Bar Andy Hunter.

As I said I don't want the World for it just want what its Worth which I know its Worth More than £50-£80 due to the Rarity of it Alone!.


Gaz.

[100-uper]

Andy called me today and he has given me a clearer picture.

Apparently, a long time ago, he once bought two Joe Davis cues from a man (can't remember who) and these were horizontally weight stamped. The cues were brand new and the man told him they had been made for a trade exhibition in the 1950s (can't remember the date) The man said that the weight had been stamped in this way to identify which cues were to be taken to the exhibition, and the company he represented (can't remember which one) had done the same thing for another exhibition before the war (can't remember the date).

Andy feels that stamping a cue in this way is not too uncommon in itself, early Riley cues and some Sydney Smith cues being given as an example, but he has not seen it before on a Joe Davis cue other than the ones he previously purchased, which differed from the example on this thread in that they were hand-spliced and clearly of exhibition quality.

He also mentioned that cues bought by the trade from wholesale would be unstamped which would allow the finisher/retailer to adjust the weight if necessary before sale. This was particularly common practice between the wars and would normally be the final part of the process, often done by "women or the apprentice." Andy feels that there are always likely to be anomalies with weight stamps and he is cautious about being too prescriptive on the subject, as he has seen so many examples which fall outside predicted patterns.

Andy has seen Joe Davis cues being retailed well into the 1980s and cues from this late period frequently go through the process without any weight stamp being applied.

How the cue on this thread fits into this picture I leave for others to judge, but the information is interesting and in addition to thanking Andy for it, I am happy to share it with the forum.

[cally]

ok.. 50 quid it is then....lol....;0