Very Rare 1pc Joe Davis Exhibition 147 Ash Cue with the Weight Stamp

[gazza147]

Andy called me today and he has given me a clearer picture.

Apparently, a long time ago, he once bought two Joe Davis cues from a man (can't remember who) and these were horizontally weight stamped. The cues were brand new and the man told him they had been made for a trade exhibition in the 1950s (can't remember the date) The man said that the weight had been stamped in this way to identify which cues were to be taken to the exhibition, and the company he represented (can't remember which one) had done the same thing for another exhibition before the war (can't remember the date).

Andy feels that stamping a cue in this way is not too uncommon in itself, early Riley cues and some Sydney Smith cues being given as an example, but he has not seen it before on a Joe Davis cue other than the ones he previously purchased, which differed from the example on this thread in that they were hand-spliced and clearly of exhibition quality.

He also mentioned that cues bought by the trade from wholesale would be unstamped which would allow the finisher/retailer to adjust the weight if necessary before sale. This was particularly common practice between the wars and would normally be the final part of the process, often done by "women or the apprentice." Andy feels that there are always likely to be anomalies with weight stamps and he is cautious about being too prescriptive on the subject, as he has seen so many examples which fall outside predicted patterns.

Andy has seen Joe Davis cues being retailed well into the 1980s and cues from this late period frequently go through the process without any weight stamp being applied.

How the cue on this thread fits into this picture I leave for others to judge, but the information is interesting and in addition to thanking Andy for it, I am happy to share it with the forum.

Peter in its Day this would have been Exhibition Quality Beleive me as its Great Condition Now for its Age!

For what you have just Wrote Peter makes this Cue even Rarer than I Thought as you explain people have seen Other Cue Makers doing this and I have Had a Sydney Smith myself as I explained to andy with Weight Stamp Side On but Never Seen One on a Joe Davis 147 with Weight Stamp Side on.

I dont Beleive for 1 Minute that Anybody would Bring Rubbish to a Big Exhibition Especially not a Joe Davis 147 Cue!

Right everybody as you can see from the Posts............This is a Very Rare Cue!!

Its that Rare Nobody else on Here or Other Forums I am on can Prove they have One at ALL! And Especially Not in Good Condition with Full Specs Not Touched as they were when they were Made New!


Gaz.

[gazza147]

ok.. 50 quid it is then....lol....;0

Anthony you have More Chance of getting Struck by Lighting 3 Times in 1 Day!!....lol



Gaz.

[perpetualboredom]

Peter in its Day this would have been Exhibition Quality Beleive me as its Great Condition Now for its Age!

For what you have just Wrote Peter makes this Cue even Rarer than I Thought as you explain people have seen Other Cue Makers doing this and I have Had a Sydney Smith myself as I explained to andy with Weight Stamp Side On but Never Seen One on a Joe Davis 147 with Weight Stamp Side on.

I dont Beleive for 1 Minute that Anybody would Bring Rubbish to a Big Exhibition Especially not a Joe Davis 147 Cue!

Right everybody as you can see from the Posts............This is a Very Rare Cue!!

Its that Rare Nobody else on Here or Other Forums I am on can Prove they have One at ALL! And Especially Not in Good Condition with Full Specs Not Touched as they were when they were Made New!


Gaz.

Gaz..

I've never said it was a common cue, but I don't know many weight stamp collectiors - and the Joe Davis 147 isn't very collectable cue... More so when you rub half the badge off 'cleaning it up'.

I've never claimed the story about the exhibitions isn't factual either, how would I know? I have however stated that it's perhaps not wise to assume everyone knows nothing about a given subject and launch into a rant - especially when that person is what I consider a leading historian of the game, and certainly an expert even if in his modesty he doesn't!. I also share the view that if i was producing a 'special' cue for an exhibition, it wouldn't be a mass produced run of the mill machine spliced cue, but this is just my opinion. Life is about opinions, everyone's is valid, even if they don't agree with your sales pitch...

100 Upper - Re Andy's comments about this stamp not appearing on Joe Davis cues - the cue I took a picture of earlier was a Joe Davis 2501 cue with the side on weight stamp, I've also owned another 2501 also with the side on stamp - I don't really believe the only 2 of these cues I've owned just happened uber rare cues. A few years ago after reading the cue collector article about this stamp being rare - there I was excitedly telling Ken Walton about my rare posession while I was in his snooker room - he walked over to his rack of 15-20 and pulled another out, explaining at the time it really all that rare Since then I've seen a number of cues appear on ebay quoting the cue collector article about how rare it is.

[ADR147]

well for what its worth i have never seen another machine made jd cue with the stamp on sideways - it could be just that the maker had a liquid lunch that friday though eh!

[gazza147]

Gaz..

I've never said it was a common cue, but I don't know many weight stamp collectiors - and the Joe Davis 147 isn't very collectable cue... More so when you rub half the badge off 'cleaning it up'.

I've never claimed the story about the exhibitions isn't factual either, how would I know? I have however stated that it's perhaps not wise to assume everyone knows nothing about a given subject and launch into a rant - especially when that person is what I consider a leading historian of the game, and certainly an expert even if in his modesty he doesn't!. I also share the view that if i was producing a 'special' cue for an exhibition, it wouldn't be a mass produced run of the mill machine spliced cue, but this is just my opinion. Life is about opinions, everyone's is valid, even if they don't agree with your sales pitch...

100 Upper - Re Andy's comments about this stamp not appearing on Joe Davis cues - the cue I took a picture of earlier was a Joe Davis 2501 cue with the side on weight stamp, I've also owned another 2501 also with the side on stamp - I don't really believe the only 2 of these cues I've owned just happened uber rare cues. A few years ago after reading the cue collector article about this stamp being rare - there I was excitedly telling Ken Walton about my rare posession while I was in his snooker room - he walked over to his rack of 15-20 and pulled another out, explaining at the time it really all that rare Since then I've seen a number of cues appear on ebay quoting the cue collector article about how rare it is.

Well Because you Dont think there is Anybody out there Wanting this Cue thats your Opinion which to be 100% Honest I am Not going to Lose Any Sleep Over as I know Different! There are Plenty of People Out there who would Love to Own this Cue Because of its Rarity a Joe Davis 147 Ash Machine Spliced Cue with the Weight Stamp Side On and all the People I know which is Quite Alot Beleive Me they have Never Seen One Bar Andy Hunter.

And you saying the Joe Davis 147 isn't very Collectable well thats Not what is For Sale here is it?......Please Read More Carefully!!

You are Getting your Wires Crossed here! I have never said Everyone Knows Nothing where Did I say That and I am Not on a Rant at all! Its Just people like you who isn't Interested in the Cue Reply too Threads and TRY and make the Person to Look like there Liars......THATS WHAT I DONT LIKE!

When you keep Telling me Peter is the Man to tell me about this Cue Peter Clearly Told me Hes Not and he States that above also, You have your Opinion about who is the Most Knowledgeable Person and So do I and its Not PETER it is ANDY HUNTER in my Opinion and I think many others also.

I am Not on a Sales Pitch thats where your Wrong Again!!

As I already said I am willing to Listen to Anybody's Advice on this Cue, And you saying its Just a Machine Spliced Run of the Mill Cue MAKES ME LAUGH!!

And where did you Get this From!!.......Andy's comments about this stamp not appearing on Joe Davis cues?? He said Appearing on the One I have For Sale the Joe Davis 147 Machine Spliced Exhibition Ash Cue Not all Joe Davis Cues!

I have given everybody on here and Other Forums/Friends to Find me ANOTHER One the Same as Mine! But Guess what they Cannot and til they do Show me one in Original Condition the Same as I have Untouched Condition then I would Say its More than Just a Rare Cue Dont You!

I know People who have Very Large Collections and People who did have Very Large Collections and Nobody has Had One of these Bar Andy Hunter!

Perpetualboredom - If You or Anybody Else haven't Anything Positive to Say then Please dont Post here Wasting my Time and Others and Trying to Ruin the Sale of this Very Rare Cue as thats what this Cue is if you like it or Lump it thats the Truth and if you can Prove any Different Showing me Loads of these Exact Same Cues and Specs then Yes Your Welcome to Prove me Wrong Which I very Doubt you will.


Gaz.

[100-uper]

100 Upper - Re Andy's comments about this stamp not appearing on Joe Davis cues - the cue I took a picture of earlier was a Joe Davis 2501 cue with the side on weight stamp, I've also owned another 2501 also with the side on stamp - I don't really believe the only 2 of these cues I've owned just happened uber rare cues. A few years ago after reading the cue collector article about this stamp being rare - there I was excitedly telling Ken Walton about my rare posession while I was in his snooker room - he walked over to his rack of 15-20 and pulled another out, explaining at the time it really all that rare Since then I've seen a number of cues appear on ebay quoting the cue collector article about how rare it is.

Andy was very pragmatic about this, and emphasised that he is only speaking from his personal experience. He was not saying that because a JD cue has a this stamp then it must be from the batch sent to exhibition by this unknown company. He just gave it as an example, and that the account given to him was probably true in that the person he was dealing with seemed genuine. That these cues had been part of an exhibition does not necessarily extend to others with the same mark but lesser provenance.

If you have seen two other JD cues with this mark then you need to decide whether all of these come from the same source as Andy's, or whether they are unconnected. This does not necessarily diminish their scarcity, but had Andy seen another two similar cues from different sources then he may well have omitted the exhibition connection. It is only by exchange of information like this that a bigger picture emerges.

[gazza147]

Most People are Getting Away with the TRUE FACT that this Cue is very very Rare as you won't see these For Sale Everyday or Maybe Never Again in the Full Specs Untouched Condition that this Cue is!

And til I see Proof of Many of These Exact Cues or Even 1 Other then I would Say that is what you Call Rare!....But Please Prove me Wrong if you can.

Can we Now Please try and Stick the what the THREAD SAYS!!

For Sale

So please if you are Interested in this very Rare Cue by all means Contact me or Leave a Reply OR if You have some POSITIVE INFO Regarding the Very Rare Cue by all means Share it with us.

Gaz.

[jogi ram]

hi gazza147 mate my name is yogi and that que is rare i have one and its the special joe davies and mine is a 17oz the weight is stamped in the que the butt is ebony its machine splicced and ash exactly like yours in the auction one like mine went for £600

[cally]

Is this cue very rare, not sure if it's been mentioned or not...

(calm down gaz)

[trevs1]

Andy called me today and he has given me a clearer picture.

Apparently, a long time ago, he once bought two Joe Davis cues from a man (can't remember who) and these were horizontally weight stamped. The cues were brand new and the man told him they had been made for a trade exhibition in the 1950s (can't remember the date) The man said that the weight had been stamped in this way to identify which cues were to be taken to the exhibition, and the company he represented (can't remember which one) had done the same thing for another exhibition before the war (can't remember the date).

Andy feels that stamping a cue in this way is not too uncommon in itself, early Riley cues and some Sydney Smith cues being given as an example, but he has not seen it before on a Joe Davis cue other than the ones he previously purchased, which differed from the example on this thread in that they were hand-spliced and clearly of exhibition quality.

He also mentioned that cues bought by the trade from wholesale would be unstamped which would allow the finisher/retailer to adjust the weight if necessary before sale. This was particularly common practice between the wars and would normally be the final part of the process, often done by "women or the apprentice." Andy feels that there are always likely to be anomalies with weight stamps and he is cautious about being too prescriptive on the subject, as he has seen so many examples which fall outside predicted patterns.
Andy has seen Joe Davis cues being retailed well into the 1980s and cues from this late period frequently go through the process without any weight stamp being applied.

How the cue on this thread fits into this picture I leave for others to judge, but the information is interesting and in addition to thanking Andy for it, I am happy to share it with the forum.

The above section in bold describes exactly what my view is on cues and weight stamps. Very little of it seems completely definitive.

[gazza147]

hi gazza147 mate my name is yogi and that que is rare i have one and its the special joe davies and mine is a 17oz the weight is stamped in the que the butt is ebony its machine splicced and ash exactly like yours in the auction one like mine went for £600

Hi Yogi Please show me Pictures of Yours then m8............


Gaz.

[perpetualboredom]

Well Because you Dont think there is Anybody out there Wanting this Cue thats your Opinion which to be 100% Honest I am Not going to Lose Any Sleep Over as I know Different! There are Plenty of People Out there who would Love to Own this Cue Because of its Rarity a Joe Davis 147 Ash Machine Spliced Cue with the Weight Stamp Side On and all the People I know which is Quite Alot Beleive Me they have Never Seen One Bar Andy Hunter.

And you saying the Joe Davis 147 isn't very Collectable well thats Not what is For Sale here is it?......Please Read More Carefully!!

You are Getting your Wires Crossed here! I have never said Everyone Knows Nothing where Did I say That and I am Not on a Rant at all! Its Just people like you who isn't Interested in the Cue Reply too Threads and TRY and make the Person to Look like there Liars......THATS WHAT I DONT LIKE!

When you keep Telling me Peter is the Man to tell me about this Cue Peter Clearly Told me Hes Not and he States that above also, You have your Opinion about who is the Most Knowledgeable Person and So do I and its Not PETER it is ANDY HUNTER in my Opinion and I think many others also.

I am Not on a Sales Pitch thats where your Wrong Again!!

As I already said I am willing to Listen to Anybody's Advice on this Cue, And you saying its Just a Machine Spliced Run of the Mill Cue MAKES ME LAUGH!!

And where did you Get this From!!.......Andy's comments about this stamp not appearing on Joe Davis cues?? He said Appearing on the One I have For Sale the Joe Davis 147 Machine Spliced Exhibition Ash Cue Not all Joe Davis Cues!

I have given everybody on here and Other Forums/Friends to Find me ANOTHER One the Same as Mine! But Guess what they Cannot and til they do Show me one in Original Condition the Same as I have Untouched Condition then I would Say its More than Just a Rare Cue Dont You!

I know People who have Very Large Collections and People who did have Very Large Collections and Nobody has Had One of these Bar Andy Hunter!

Perpetualboredom - If You or Anybody Else haven't Anything Positive to Say then Please dont Post here Wasting my Time and Others and Trying to Ruin the Sale of this Very Rare Cue as thats what this Cue is if you like it or Lump it thats the Truth and if you can Prove any Different Showing me Loads of these Exact Same Cues and Specs then Yes Your Welcome to Prove me Wrong Which I very Doubt you will.


Gaz.

I am Not on a Rant at all!

That's a relief Gaz, I'm glad to see you don't rant...

And where did you Get this From!!.......Andy's comments about this stamp not appearing on Joe Davis cues?? He said Appearing on the One I have For Sale the Joe Davis 147 Machine Spliced Exhibition Ash Cue Not all Joe Davis Cues!

From 100 uppers post where he states..

Andy feels that stamping a cue in this way is not too uncommon in itself, early Riley cues and some Sydney Smith cues being given as an example, but he has not seen it before on a Joe Davis cue other than the ones he previously purchased, which differed from the example on this thread in that they were hand-spliced and clearly of exhibition quality.

Is that not clear? My mistake obviously.

I am Not on a Sales Pitch thats where your Wrong Again!!

Sorry I thought your opening words on this thread were..

For Sale

My mistake again.

Perpetualboredom - If You or Anybody Else haven't Anything Positive to Say then Please dont Post here

You're welcome, you don't actually read what I, or others have written anyway.

[gazza147]

Yes I have Read what you an Others have Said Otherwise there wouldn't be So Many Replies!!....Althou I dont Agree with Most of them as they are total Rubbish and Waste of Webspace Especially Yours.

Perpetualboredom - Please Dont Bother Posting anymore on this Thread Unless you have something Positive to Say!



Gaz.

[DeanH]

Hi Gazza147 - You Started The Thread Asking For Any Comments About Your Cue - The First Person To Respond Asked A Very Civil Question About The Information In Your First Post, And You Immediately Jumped Down Their Throat Saying That They Had Accused You Of Lying - Which They Had Not So It Was You From The Offset That Had Nothing Positive To Say And It Went Down Hill From There
I Must Say I Am Enjoying Reading The Thread Though
I Am Afraid That I Know Nothing ABout Joe Davies Cues, So Cannot Add Anything Positive or Negative to This Thread.

I apologies but my shift key seems to be stuck - - oh wait no it isn't

[DWOT]

Think I might try and organise a TSF Boxing competition, not sure how I'd get the handicapping right though to be honest!