john parris ultimate

[Neil Taperell]

Well it seems like as soon as he found out how much it was worth he couldn't wait to cash in !!
Not really on, as snookerpoolman did him a favour and said if it doesn't suit he could have his money back, but ohh no gotta chase the money

Make you right JRC ....Should either sell back or sell on here for the same price and then if it does not sell , then stick it on the bay

[The Stig]

The main question for me is why did he get it for £350? Why would the person selling it let it go for half price?

And the other thing that suprised me as well is why was the cue still available on here for as long as it was without it being snapped up especially by one of the dealers, a Parris Ultimate for £350 wouldn't usually last more than 15 mins, it was for sale for most of the day yesterday, certainly from 4pm onwards till midnight at least.

[Deepscrew]

And the other thing that suprised me as well is why was the cue still available on here for as long as it was without it being snapped up especially by one of the dealers, a Parris Ultimate for £350 wouldn't usually last more than 15 mins, it was for sale for most of the day yesterday, certainly from 4pm onwards till midnight at least.

pretty sure he got offered £350 many times...

[jrc750]

And the other thing that suprised me as well is why was the cue still available on here for as long as it was without it being snapped up especially by one of the dealers, a Parris Ultimate for £350 wouldn't usually last more than 15 mins, it was for sale for most of the day yesterday, certainly from 4pm onwards till midnight at least.

Maybe because it was more pool spec, plus doesn't have a Parris joint, no number on the badge, just little things that add up, saying that tho, because of snookerpoolman's known history of it, it will be ok

[cazmac1]

Whys that? Doesn't make a difference to the cue in anyway from what ive seen, some people (myself included) prefer having a chevron as far up the shaft as possible, usually if ones right on the edge of ferrule some of it is underneath it as well. Just comes down to if a shaft fitting that description can be found as people can be very picky about the grain.

This is not me saying it. It comes from someone who knows his stuff and he says it shouldn't be done on a selective shaft. This is what your paying the extra cash for. It ain't because it's a magic piece of wood lol. Your paying for the look of the shaft.

[narl]

This is not me saying it. It comes from someone who knows his stuff and he says it shouldn't be done on a selective shaft. This is what your paying the extra cash for. It ain't because it's a magic piece of wood lol. Your paying for the look of the shaft.

Apparently it was made for Nigel Bond, its possible thats its something he specified. Wouldn't be unusual if it was.

[cazmac1]

Apparently it was made for Nigel Bond, its possible thats its something he specified. Wouldn't be unusual if it was.

I would imagine this was made pre JP ultimate madness and cost just a few £100 to make before ppl became so obsessed about how cues looked.

[poolqjunkie]

Maybe because it was more pool spec, plus doesn't have a Parris joint, no number on the badge, just little things that add up, saying that tho, because of snookerpoolman's known history of it, it will be ok

Totally agreed. A collector would most likely want the cue to be original with a bigger tip. The no number part might make the cue more sort after, same as the fact that it was built for Nigel Bond; but it really is a shame that the work were not performed by John Parris, and the tip is just too small for snooker.
Having said that, 350 GBP is a great deal regardless. It is probably a great playing cue, too.
I dont think he is doing such a bad thing by trying to sell it instead of getting a refund. This way, the original seller gets to keep the money and someone out there will have the chance to buy an Ultimate cue for less than the high prices we normally see.

[narl]

I would imagine this was made pre JP ultimate madness and cost just a few £100 to make before ppl became so obsessed about how cues looked.

Welll even around 97 or so the ultimates were in the £400 bracket, this is supposodly from 96 so in the same price range.

[cazmac1]

That's what I said, a few £100
http://ask.metafilter.com/65951/How-many-is-a-few

[narl]

That's what I said, a few £100
http://ask.metafilter.com/65951/How-many-is-a-few

Who said you didn't? I was giving an estimate to the actual figure as opposed to "a few". Im pretty sure the actual figure was £479 as i ordered a cue from parris cues in 1997.

[snookerpoolman]

Relax Guys....

It was my intention tonight to send a long and detailed response to all the messages on this thread, but I decided to sit back, relax and enjoy....

Possibly tomorrow night I may have the energy to post a full response setting the record straight...but don't count on it as I have yet another busy pool table restoration day, so we'll see...

Night all.....

[jrc750]

Just say "happy" or "unhappy" for now

[snookerpoolman]

Just say "happy" or "unhappy" for now

Happy....

[poolqjunkie]

Yes, the Ultimate was almost 500 GBP in the 90's. Actually price has not incresed by too much.

The extra money was charged for the quality of the shaft, the way it was planed and tapered, and also the option of selecting the pattern of shaft chevrons, stiffness of shaft, plus the cue will be made to measure, with exotic wood of your choice and you are supposed to be getting John Parris's best work (precise splice work and such). You can also ask John to select a shaft and taper it to a stiffness that fits your style of play--if you do not like the cue, you can bring it back for alteration or a replacment. In a nutshell, an Ultimate is supposed to be in the same class as a black plate cue. It is a custom cue made to the highest standard.

If the customer did not say he needed the top chevrons to be entirely below the ferrule, it is acceptable to have it through. It is also possible that the cue was cut shorter or had things like that done to it. It depends on the customers some like to see the ferrule below and some like to see it through or do not mind it either way--it is a custom order so it depends on whatever the request was.

In my opinion the shaft on that Ultimate looks very nice, I would not say it is an inferior shaft in the cosmetic department.

John knows how to build a great playing cue, he is one of the best cue maker of our time.