*** Uncle Vit - Selling 4-Arrow Shaft ***

[eaoin11]

i am sure paul at peradon will be thrilled!

The vast majority of these dodgy badges would be circulating in Asia and that happens with just about every brand name under the sun. Can understand you being annoyed though.

When you buy a real Peradon cue though, they don't just lacquer the butt... never understood why considering they have stock cues priced at more than 220 pounds. They don't actually tell you this explicitly on any website I've seen, and in their case it does affect playability because the shaft has this finish too.

[ADR147]

pretty sure they would do an oil finish for me.

[eaoin11]

Or for anyone who knows to ask for it. But you can usually assume a cue made in the UK costing more than 200 pounds will be oil finished. Not the case for Peradon stock cues or even their very expensive cue wizard cues and they don't tell you this.

[knox]

They use to be alot better when they were badgeless or have the uncle thai badge.

[poolqjunkie]

All the C brand cues I have seen have very nice shafts and the splice work seems very precise from the picturers. From my brief dealing with unclevit he seems like a honest and responsible person. No need to crucify him until we have given him a chance to at least address the issue. Dont think he is aware of what is going on. Just saying may be we should give him the benefit of doubt until he responses?

[trevs1]

We are talking about cues in the £175+ bracket here and I don't think you can say that any cues of that cost in the UK are from the far east. Maybe the cheapo cues you see on Ebay using names like Robin Scott or JX etc but we are talking about proper hand made cues from a reputable cue maker.
I only know of one cue seller who openly admits his cues are made in the far east and rebaged and that is GBL. However he has a good reputation and probably knows that the quality he is getting is going to be top notch because he has a deal with them. To my knowledge no other cue maker sells cues that are rebadged with their own name. If you know otherwise then please name them!

I think people would be very surprised at who does import cues made outside the UK, whilst providing absolutely no indication of where they came from.

Some will openly tell you if you asked I'm sure, others may not be so forthcoming.

[trevs1]

JRC750 I think the workshop make various different cues for various different markets. The C-brand were ones which Unclevit personally supervised and put his name to. There's various posts and I've got some e-mails where Unclevit points out that his C-brand cues have specially selected quality shafts. I was led to believe that the workshop turn out other (slightly inferior?) cues. Some of these were un-badged. I have to say I don't really know what Unclevit's set up is over there or what his relationship with the workshop is. Strange he's not been on the forum to give his tuppence worth. Maybe he's fed up with all the hassle of cue-making. He's always said he didn't make any money and was doing it as a hobby.

I think anyone who is actively promoting themselves and their associated products, in ANY forum, does so for money, and NOT as any hobby. TSF appears to have become more and more like that, where self promotion seems to be accepted as normal and fine.
Many other forums would not allow that, unless you were specifically advertising yourself as a trader. Still, I digress.

It's pretty much impossible for people to know for sure what exactly goes on where manufacturing is concerned, and more so when it's based overseas, and moreso again when from the same account, different people appear to respond to questions or enquiries.
Buyers can (and will) be told anything which sounds remotely plausible in order to keep them happy, and, it would seem that many are fairly willing to buy into various explanations for one issue or another. The simple truth behind what is going on here will remain unknown, because it can't be verified one way or another, by anyone at all. It's all based on supposition and what people have been told, and that counts for very little.

[cueman]

With that in mind Trev I do honestly believe its about time people named and shamed then. Its not right that people are buying what are in effect fake cues.

[gem]

With that in mind Trev I do honestly believe its about time people named and shamed then. Its not right that people are buying what are in effect fake cues.

If this is the case then it shouldn't be allowed but why would anyone 'fake' a Peradon cue?

[cueman]

I don't think the issue here is that they sold a cue that was faked to be a Peradon, IMO where the cue was made they probably had no badges of their own so probably stuck on a Peradon badge as they may well be a factory that does work for Peradon but this was not one of the models sold. At least thats how I read the situation.

[trevs1]

With that in mind Trev I do honestly believe its about time people named and shamed then. Its not right that people are buying what are in effect fake cues.

I agree, but doubt it would happen.

[Neil Taperell]

Not a good advert for them . Who would buy a cue from them now ? What chance have you got in getting a refund or a cue of a decent standard .

Unreal that this has been sent to ADR . Surely this must be a joke .

[Bigmeek]

All the C brand cues I have seen have very nice shafts and the splice work seems very precise from the picturers. From my brief dealing with unclevit he seems like a honest and responsible person. No need to crucify him until we have given him a chance to at least address the issue. Dont think he is aware of what is going on. Just saying may be we should give him the benefit of doubt until he responses?

Agreed. Timely reminder that there are dozens of very satisfied customers and its not fair to crucify Unclevit without hearing his side of the story. Its also not fair to completely write off a particular brand of cue because of one or two dodgy ones. I'm sure every cue maker turns out a dodgy one from time to time. The issue for me is that the brasswork on ADR's cue should never have passed even a simple QC process and this could be because Unclevit was not around to supervise things.
Still hopeful that Suvit will give his side of the story.
PS Just a reminder that this cue wasn't IMO sold as a "C-brand". The post only said "from the workshop" and was badged as a Peradon. If I was buying it I would NOT have thought I was getting a C-brand.

[eaoin11]

I don't think the issue here is that they sold a cue that was faked to be a Peradon, IMO where the cue was made they probably had no badges of their own so probably stuck on a Peradon badge as they may well be a factory that does work for Peradon but this was not one of the models sold. At least thats how I read the situation.

With respect, this incident alone doesn't suggest that the workshop makes cues for Peradon. It's not a fake cue and clearly not a fake Peradon model. It's a fake badge, as ADR has said. You see fake stuff everywhere in Asia.

[The Stig]

I think people would be very surprised at who does import cues made outside the UK, whilst providing absolutely no indication of where they came from.

Some will openly tell you if you asked I'm sure, others may not be so forthcoming.

trev

The likes of yourself and Mike Wooldridge are craftsmen/cue makers so you take great pride in what you produce, ive spoken to you in the past and you told me that money is not the sole objective with yourself so you don't rely on orders, its more you enjoy what you do and if you can make a little bit as well then its a bonus. The companies that sell on mass are more business orientated so profit is the main goal, buy as cheap as possible and sell for as much profit as possible, its just how main stream business is so it makes sense for them to import cues given how quickly they can produce cues in the far east. Thats where the problem lies these days especially in the UK, its far cheaper for them to import their cues and re-badge them or have them badged with their own brand at the factory. They just need to be more open and honest about where their cues have come from, i can't see it happening with some though where they use the "handmade on our own premises" line.

Stu at Greenbaize has managed to find a top quality cue maker in the far east that makes his own GBL range of cues, he's very open and honest about where his own brand of cues are made. Ive no problem with cues made in the far east, my current cue is a Phoenix cue and that like a GBL cue it feels total quality to play with. Ive got a lot of time for companies like Greenbaize, Stu is first class to deal with and you couldn't really wish for better when it comes to snooker equipment.