eBay Burroughes and Watts - Ye Olde Ash

[mattyshinobi22]

SOLD

decided to sell another olde ash to fund other purchases.

think this one is little special than the others as emailed andy hunter few years ago and he said doesnt look like a first edition and not a second edition either. from the shaft colour being 'reddish' in colour and the shape of the badge, it looks like a transition version between end of the first ed and begining of the second ed.

shame about the writing faded, but just emailed tony glover and can be re engraved for £30. was going to have it done but bit pointless if i am selling it.

the cue is the far one on the right in the pics

http://www.thesnookerforum.com/board...light=olde+ash
post 19

spec 58 inches long, 10mm tip 17onz.

looking for offers really,
dont really fancy ebaying it

[ADR147]

best playing on the ye olde ash cues are the transition ones.

[mattyshinobi22]

to be far mate, dunno if you have but personally havent seen any with a square badge, usually rounded at back

[kir1]

What is one of these worth? have pm msg you mate

[mattyshinobi22]

more pics

[mattyshinobi22]

thought id share this email from gordon radford, i emailed andy hunter and gordon replied as he explained him and andy both run the cuecollector site. or did back in 2008 when i sent the email.

just though id add this to prove am not making false claims up to sell my cue, as i am no cue historian expert, i sort expert advice.

Hi Matthew
Value is a tough one. I have seen one buyer pay up to 2,000GBP for a first edition (although that was truly unusual!) and, for first editions, there have certainly been three sales of which I am aware over the last two years at around 1,000-1,200GBP.
These prices should be compared with what most collectors would say to you, which is that a genuine first edition is worth around 600-700GBP.
I think the reality is that a genuine first edition is so rare that the prices really depend on what someone is prepared to pay (and, frankly, because genuine first editions are so rare, buyers have been prepared to pay above most people's expectations). After all, you are talking about the cue that was the top of the Burroughes & Watts range and is generally regarded as the Holy Grail as far as some collectors are concerned.

As far as second editions go, most sales seem to be at around the 400-500GBP mark. I think your transitional version is likely to be treated as a second edition by any one who knows what the shaft of a genuine first edition should look like (ie the orange-red shaft I showed you in photos before) so I think its fair to value it at around 400-500GBP (as that's what I think you'd get). I am assuming that it's in good condition with good specifications (length, tip size etc).

Our view is that the best explanation for the cue is that it was made at a time when Burroughes & Watts had run out of the very old ash they had bought from HM shipyards and were transitioning into what is generally regarded as the second edition Ye Olde Ash. We suspect that, when Burroughes & Watts ran out of the true old ash, Burroughes & Watts probably had some first edition badges remaining in their stocks and, rather than throw these away, they probably used them on the Ye Olde Ash cues that were made after the original very old ash was exhausted.

There is a good case to argue that, as a "transitional version", it is in fact worth slightly more because it would be rarer than an ordinary second edition and certainly very early when compared to some second editions (eg dating from the 1950s). The problem with this argument is that very few people would appreciate, or perhaps even believe, this kind of detail!
So, bottom line, I'd say around 400-500GBP,give or take 10-15% margin of uncertainty, assuming good condition.
Regards
Gordon Radford
www.thecuecollector.com

From: radford6@bigpond.net.au
To: littledragon729@hotmail.com
CC: Andyoldcue@aol.com
Subject: Ye Olde Ash
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:02:44 +0930

[kir1]

Burroughes and Watts - Ye Olde Ash

So what price are you looking for mate

[Deepscrew]

Did you not read the previous post, Kir1?

[kir1]

Burroughes and Watts - Ye Olde Ash

Yes obviously I did! that states what Gordon values the cue at but not what Matt would be happy with now

[ADR147]

it's a very tricky thing to value.

[mattyshinobi22]

Yes obviously I did! that states what Gordon values the cue at but not what Matt would be happy with now

thats what gordon valued in 2008, so guessing gone up a bit since then

[perpetualboredom]

Burroughes and Watts - Ye Olde Ash

Was the badged faded then too? Very surprised Gordon valued it at that if so.. Can't think of many who'd want one with a faded badge or one that's been redone. I'd offer it to him... He generally pays a lot more than anyone else would/could anyway.

[mattyshinobi22]

Was the badged faded then too? Very surprised Gordon valued it at that if so.. Can't think of many who'd want one with a faded badge or one that's been redone. I'd offer it to him... He generally pays a lot more than anyone else would/could anyway.

the badge only faded due to being used, so suppose it wasnt a bad playing cue eh?

also if it had a prestine badge id be definately questioning authenticity of the cue,
back when i had valued in 2008 wasnt really interested in selling, and havent contacted gordon since. but think you may have a point that the collectors would want the badge readable. but in my opinion shouldnt ditract from the cue value too much has the cue is in its originality and the badge can be redone. and yes i woud want one with a faded badge , as the cue is an orignal olde ash none the same

anyway after all that think the cue is previsionally sold, awaiting payment

[mattyshinobi22]

*******sold*********