^^^^^ Hunt & O'bryne Black Plate ^^^^^

[jb134]

I cant do a link but how does the joint on eBay item 230924185902 look?

[jrc750]

I cant do a link but how does the joint on eBay item 230924185902 look?

It looks wrong because the cue is fake, very badly fitted badge too, been discussed elsewhere too
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2309241859...902%26_rdc%3D1

[GeorgeNg]

Bump. There must be someone out there would has interest in it.

[Siz]

Never seen one made by H&O with the joint above the splices - was this another later modification?

Perhaps made as a 1 piece and converted later?

[GeorgeNg]

Never seen one made by H&O with the joint above the splices - was this another later modification?

Perhaps made as a 1 piece and converted later?

I was learnt that the cue would have been made as a 1 piece then cut for the joint that is how these cues are made. Only Robert Osborne has carried out work on it. Only modifications are the small flat and base joint fitted.

[ADR147]

Never seen one made by H&O with the joint above the splices - was this another later modification?

Perhaps made as a 1 piece and converted later?

they all were the joints were done by a different guy. micky reece.

[Siz]

I was learnt that the cue would have been made as a 1 piece then cut for the joint that is how these cues are made.

Yes I think that you are right. This was how Parris and Hunt & O'Byrne made 3/4 cues back then. But the only ones that I have seen with a joint above the splice are ones that were converted some time after they were made (like my 1980's Parris was). This might affect the value, but from my experience no reason why it shouldn't play really well.

Only Robert Osborne has carried out work on it. Only modifications are the small flat and base joint fitted.

So now it can best be described as a Hunt & O'Byrne / Hunt & Osborne hybrid? Nothing wrong with that I suppose.

As it happens, I am not really bothered by the modifications. I am not a collector - I am just looking get a second cue in case something happens to my Parris. And this is not far from the specs I am after. How much are you looking for?

[Siz]

they all were the joints were done by a different guy. micky reece.

@ADR147 - I read somewhere that Reece did the joints in the original Hunt & O'Byrne black plates, but that in the later cues, Will Hunt and/or Robert Osborne started doing the joints themselves. Do you know if this is correct?

[raymo147]

The fact is that Will Hunt never owned a lathe and Mick done all the joints.
The only period they could fit there own was when Robert came on board who had the drive to want to learn to fit them
himself.
Even to drill up cues for re weighting Will relied on Mick for something as simple as that.

[Siz]

The fact is that Will Hunt never owned a lathe and Mick done all the joints.
The only period they could fit there own was when Robert came on board who had the drive to want to learn to fit them
himself.
Even to drill up cues for re weighting Will relied on Mick for something as simple as that.

You're kidding! Lmfao! And to think that there are plenty of guys on a popular pool forum who think that you can't even re-tip a cue without a lathe!

[raymo147]

Obviously you don't need a lathe to fit tips but it seems to be the modern way these days especially with all the new tips on the market.

[Wayne G]

The fact is that Will Hunt never owned a lathe and Mick done all the joints.
The only period they could fit there own was when Robert came on board who had the drive to want to learn to fit them
himself.
Even to drill up cues for re weighting Will relied on Mick for something as simple as that.

Raymond,

You say that Will hunt never owned a lathe, so did he do shafts and butts and one piece cues all by hand planing, etc.?
Thanks.

[raymo147]

I know for a fact that they got the ebony turned for butt jointed cues from a well know supplier but the rest was certainly hand crafted.
Will is a top craftsman no doubt about it and done the rest all by hand.
He just didn't invest further on the likes of a lathe and relied a fair amount on Mick to do that work.
I find that a bit mad to be honest as your relying on another person in a way to run your business.
The other reason old Hunt and obyrnes had the little peg of ebony at the ferrule was to spread the wood and give a tighter fit as the used ferrule cutters to fit them.
Not as tight a fit as lathes give you.

[Wayne G]

I know for a fact that they got the ebony turned for butt jointed cues from a well know supplier but the rest was certainly hand crafted.
Will is a top craftsman no doubt about it and done the rest all by hand.
He just didn't invest further on the likes of a lathe and relied a fair amount on Mick to do that work.
I find that a bit mad to be honest as your relying on another person in a way to run your business.
The other reason old Hunt and obyrnes had the little peg of ebony at the ferrule was to spread the wood and give a tighter fit as the used ferrule cutters to fit them.
Not as tight a fit as lathes give you.

Raymond,

I appreciate your answers. Can you clarify one more thing so that I'm really clear? I have a 1 pc. Will Hunt. So therefore, would Will hand plane the one piece ash from ferrule to end of butt and then glue on the ebony splices and then give it to someone else to put on a lathe to shape the butt end? Then would he get the cue back for a final hand plane/ finish and ferrule install(I assume he did the little peg of ebony at the ferrule also on his cues)?
Thanks for your time.

[raymo147]

He would have hand planed all of the cue especially as its a 1pc!
He would have turned it all by hand.
What I meant was that for 3/4 cues the butts (ebony) were turned on a lathe.
You can see the profile marks in the old catalogue someone kindly shared.
You will notice ebony butts all turned and are stacked on a shelve with the profile marks on them.
As for the ferrule it may not have the ebony peg if Robert was with him as they were fitted on the lathe.
A much tighter fit.