GENUINE WILL HUNT PROFESSIONAL 3/4 SNOOKER CUE & Cue Craft Ally Case.

[itsnoteasy]

It wouldnt bother me if my cue was made by John Parris, Stephen Hawkins, or Susan Boyle as long as the specs suited me and it was well made, i wont comment on whats happened here, and i can understand people thinking "i paid for one thing and got another" but look around at other industries, clothes, made in the far east and just re-branded here, trainers by some of the biggest companies on this earth are (or were until caught) made in sweat shops in the far east and even when people knew, they werent bothered, i doubt there are many industries that dont take the chance of emerging countries low pay and long hours to make their wares for them,unfortunately thats called capitalism, are the items sub standard? sometimes yes, but if you are on the ball and have a real hand in your company i cant see the difference if Ying Ho or Bob Smith makes it and its then finished by the craftsman, its still a hand made cue to the craftsmans approved quality.

[RGCirencester]

I think people have maybe been a bit harsh in their words in this thread, I'm personally firmly Sat on the fence but Im positive dave had had the best intentions througout.

Anyway, just thought it was interesting what the violin guy on flog it earlier said. Antiques blokey was having a go at making a violin. They were using one the guy was making for his son and he said he couldn't let them touch a customers one because they all have to be 100% made by his hand throughout. Couldn't help drawing parallels.

Wouldn't bother me where something was made, or by who as long as it is up to the standard I expect from that "brand". It would be a much better world however if everything was described exactly as it really is and as a consumer I would be much happier with what I've bought of I was just told the truth to start with.

[poona]

I am of the opinion that if a cuemaker is advertising his cue as hand made bearing his name on the badge, then I expect it to be made by him. This is why I refuse to buy certain cues. This is my personal choice and many others will surely have their own views on it.

So therefore I believe if a cue has been partially made in the far east, then the work done should be credited before sale and not falsely sold under a sole maker.

[trevs1]

I am of the opinion that if a cuemaker is advertising his cue as hand made bearing his name on the badge, then I expect it to be made by him. This is why I refuse to buy certain cues. This is my personal choice and many others will surely have their own views on it.

So therefore I believe if a cue has been partially made in the far east, then the work done should be credited before sale and not falsely sold under a sole maker.

Have to admit, I agree with this

[sanman]

Have to admit, I agree with this

and hats off to people like Trevor for the integrity of their work. The quality and pricing that is offered for the kind off work he does. No standard range in his workmanship. Just made to order by himself. I would say generally speaking and i stand to be corrected on this as it may not apply to all makers. Those who offer a standard range of cues would find it easier to souce cues and rebadge them. The only work being done is maybe the final finishing and reweighting as per customer spec.

Amongst those practising such business, i wonder if they exposed the truth of their business with some on their badges like made in neverneverland how many customers would still pay the prices they ask for said products and what effect this would have to their brand names. As was stated before many companies do their manufacturing overseas especially in the east. But they do add made in xxxxxxxx on their labels or packaging. Why is it that cuemakers get away without disclosing this.

[sanman]

Have to admit, I agree with this

and hats off to people like Trevor for the integrity of their work. The quality and pricing that is offered for the kind off work he does. No standard range in his workmanship. Just made to order by himself. I would say generally speaking and i stand to be corrected on this as it may not apply to all makers. Those who offer a standard range of cues would find it easier to souce cues and rebadge them. The only work being done is maybe the final finishing and reweighting as per customer spec.

Amongst those practising such business, i wonder if they exposed the truth of their business with some on their badges like made in neverneverland how many customers would still pay the prices they ask for said products and what effect this would have to their brand names. As was stated before many companies do their manufacturing overseas especially in the east. But they do add made in xxxxxxxx on their labels or packaging. Why is it that cuemakers get away without disclosing this.

[eaoin11]

Easy enoghf question to answer - ive bought some myself

Ah hah! I wonder if you're actually the linchpin, importing hundreds of spliced shafts from a large-scale workshop you established in Thailand, then supplying them to other UK cuemakers big and small? You'd make a killing, and save the small operators from the well-known costs of sourcing and grading timber of sufficiently high quality.

[fred.england]

Apologies in hijacking this thread but credit where credit is due.

I've just received a package of Dave and Louise Coutts who have kindly donated loads of snooker related goodies as a raffle prize for my forthcoming fundraiser party. They have both taken a huge amount of stick on this thread and I will not be drawn into the arguments for or against but I believe in giving out credit when it is due.

Hope it all gets sorted Dave and Louise.

God bless to you both

Fred xxxxxx

[EZ_4_U_OK]

I think everyone is missing the point about those cues. If Will Hunt wanted to sell some cues with his name on them, and happened to ask Dave Coutts to sell them for him, then that's up to him. If you're not happy with the cue when you get it for any reason, then you should simply ask for a refund !

EZ

[eaoin11]

I think everyone is missing the point about those cues. If Will Hunt wanted to sell some cues with his name on them, and happened to ask Dave Coutts to sell them for him, then that's up to him. If you're not happy with the cue when you get it for any reason, then you should simply ask for a refund !

EZ

So are you saying that they should ask for a refund even if they've learned of this 3 months after receiving the cue? And that this should come from Will Hunt? I don't beleive either Dave or Will need to be hung out to dry on this but the idea that Dave didn't know is utter B.S to me. I would still argue though that the price is about right and that the cues are still collectable, there aren't a lot of them getting around. I personally would hold on to it if I liked the cue itself.

[EZ_4_U_OK]

Yes I am !....Dave in his listing/advert inferred he was acting as an "agent" on behalf of Will Hunt, did he not?...so if you bought a Will Hunt cue and was concerned about it's authenticity, then I'm sure Dave would be happy to offer a refund or perhaps an exchange/ part-exchange to the same value.

EZ

[ste bed]

That's just the point... The poor lad is under the impression he is selling a:

'GENUINE WILL HUNT PROFESSIONAL 3/4 SNOOKER CUE & Cue Craft Ally Case.'

Yes and now he knows the truth he's doing the same thing on eBay selling the cue as a genuine
Hand made will hunt

[Powerbus786]

Yes and now he knows the truth he's doing the same thing on eBay selling the cue as a genuine
Hand made will hunt

If you read carefully, i have not stated the word Genuine, after finding out the truth.

[ste bed]

No just a clever play of words ( stunning example of a will hunt snooker cue this cue is a super example of this highly sort after makers work) implying that it was made by will hunt why don't you clearly state that it was bought in from Thailand and finished by will hunt. I think if you new the truth in the 1st place you wouldn't have bought it either. Your
doing the same thing Dave coutts did to you the only difference is you know the truth where Dave didn't at e time of sale.

[ADR147]

Will Hunt is perfectly entitled to do this and the cue is legally a Will Hunt cue, the question of who did what is not really important to the end product the customer buys, surely if Will is happy to put him name to the cue that is what you are paying for? in reality all cues are imported in various levels of build because ebony is not indigenous to the uk.