GENUINE WILL HUNT PROFESSIONAL 3/4 SNOOKER CUE & Cue Craft Ally Case.

[Neil Taperell]

Can't do more than that Dave , in my opinion .

Shame that you have been dragged into this situation . Still have a great reputation though .

[pottr]

Can't beat a good Scandal. Go on Dave, scorch the Earth with the TRUTH!

[Tred]

what some of you seem to be asking is for me to grass on my piers but let me tell you if i was to grass which i most definately will not then it would read a bit like the horse meat scandal and turn the cue world on its head, make alot of know it alls look very silly and upset a lot of proud owners of goods cues.

going back a year ago i did not think if the name on the badge actually made the cue or did they just finish them off, but after Will Hunt was strangley singled out last year i did alot of detective work and now know all the answers and believe me i wish i didnt.

but at the end of the day these guys are still finishing off top quality cues.

as Will is uncontactable he has given me permission to state on our website that his cues are part made and this will go on our website over the next day or two

Grass!? That's a very strange choice of word which implies, to me at least, that you're aware of some kind of criminal activity. Your post is very defensive - why?

The only thing anyone here is after is the truth. As consumers we have a right to know if we've been duped or subjected to any kind of fraud. If, as you say, you have all the answers and you're an innocent party in all this then I suggest you share the information. If not, your reputation as a supplier will continue to be tarnished by this incident.

The "you can't handle the truth" argument you appear to be giving is complete hogwash. Oh, and comparing this to the horsemeat scandal is ridiculous IMHO...

[Neil Taperell]

There are always rumours about cue makers . I am not sure you could publish anything on here anyway ........court cases would be pending , unless the allegations are 100% concrete .

[SouthPaw]

As the months go by it seems the snooker brand image to consumers/followers appears to be getting less credible by money making scandals whether that be betting corruption(criminal influence) or in the making of equipment or whatever else etc... What's going to come out next i wonder..?

[Maverick54]

Just another X File guys but - The Truth Is Out There

[Mick Ellis]

[Gerry Armstrong]

I remember the good old days where someone would post their For Sale ad, a few people would wish them well, then a few folk actually interested in buying the cue would ask a few questions and finally the cue would be sold.

Seems to happen rarely if ever these days....

[sberry]

People don't really think that every cue with a JP badge was made by hand by the man himself, do they?

Once you get above a certain number of cues being sold you need to have employees making them so they then become factory produced goods in equivalent, in the current economic climate you can buy goods and services much cheaper elsewhere and if you can buy a finished chinese cue with extensions and a case for £50 delivered then you can get part finished cues delivered in bulk for much cheaper - that would enable you to turn out higher numbers of cues to sell at your normal prices once you've popped a badge on them. We're deep in recession, people need to reduce costs and increase revenue, it's just business.

In one sense all cues are hand made by somebody, if you want to be more sure of who it was who made it you have to stick to the much smaller operations.

If the cue plays well it doesn't matter if it was made by a factory worker in china or a factory worker in england, does it?

[DeanH]

People don't really think that every cue with a JP badge was made by hand by the man himself, do they?

Once you get above a certain number of cues being sold you need to have employees making them so they then become factory produced goods in equivalent, in the current economic climate you can buy goods and services much cheaper elsewhere and if you can buy a finished chinese cue with extensions and a case for £50 delivered then you can get part finished cues delivered in bulk for much cheaper - that would enable you to turn out higher numbers of cues to sell at your normal prices once you've popped a badge on them. We're deep in recession, people need to reduce costs and increase revenue, it's just business.

In one sense all cues are hand made by somebody, if you want to be more sure of who it was who made it you have to stick to the much smaller operations.

If the cue plays well it doesn't matter if it was made by a factory worker in china or a factory worker in england, does it?

I think most people know that JP does not make cues himself anymore, that is not the issue here. the issue is that the cue(s) were sold as "handmade by Will himself" and that is misleading and inaccurate.
Findus, horse and beef comes to mind.
If you buy a JP, they are not sold as made by JP himself, but by his company and employees. If you buy a cue saying handmade by whoever then you should expact that person to be involved in major way in the cue's creation.
There have been many other threads about what constitutes the level of "handmade", "made", "customised", finished, etc, etc, etc all the way to growing the tree in the first place

You are right that a cue that plays well, etc,; but if you buy a cue knowing it was made in a factory in China, then fine; but buying a cue sold as a handmade by a known cuemaker and it is no such thing, that edges onto fraud

[willtyson]

On the certificate it doesn't say hand made BY Will Hunt, it just says Genuine Hand made cue. The cue may not have been totally made by Will Hunt but it doesn't say that, it's still a handmade cue but just not by Will Hunt which is as the certificate says. I'm sure there's a few more who have do similar things...

[sberry]

We know they don't grow the trees and it would be naive to think the cue maker himself personally visits the timber/wood wholesaler and personally selects the finest pieces of ash and maple - he will either employ someone to do this or simply order a delivery.

The blanks are cut by the wholesaler, would it matter if they were tapered too? You could do some splicing but why not get basic splicing done at point of wholesale too? That way you can 'make' more.

A bit of a horse meat type cue scandal could breath some life back into the old cue market, every cloud, etc..

[sberry]

On the certificate it doesn't say hand made BY Will Hunt, it just says Genuine Hand made cue. The cue may not have been totally made by Will Hunt but it doesn't say that, it's still a handmade cue but just not by Will Hunt which is as the certificate says. I'm sure there's a few more who have do similar things...

So, it is a Will Hunt cue in the same way a JP cue is a JP cue - somebody made it and it's got their badge on it.

[willtyson]

Exactly that Sberry...

[DeanH]

on a previous posting they had been informed that "all cues will be accompanied with will hunt certificates stating a genuine handmade cue by will hunt,"
ok the certificate may not actually say that Will Hunt made them, but unfortunately if those were the "words" used either verbally or written then there is the point of misleading selling.
cheers