Are We Being Cheated?

[Bilston Cues]

Anybody who thinks they can tell through playing with a cue the difference between an extended shaft either by being dowelled or machine spliced is more demented than John Parris who said to me " my cues play better than anyone elses"

[the lone wolf]

Anybody who thinks they can tell through playing with a cue the difference between an extended shaft either by being dowelled or machine spliced is more demented than John Parris who said to me " my cues play better than anyone elses"

I'm not in bad company then!

Machined splice cue offers a completely different scenario.

As you'll know hand splices cannot be added to a machined cue because of the way it's built and is way stronger than just a dowel IMO.

However cutting into a machined cue to try and add splices would weaken the joint which is why it can't be done. But I'm sure you could offer more factual information.

PS
How about donating some cues?
I'd love to prove I'm not demented

[Bilston Cues]

You have lost me now, i have seen a 50" piece of Ash, being machine spliced to a 10" piece of ash then handspliced on top with Ebony many a time in England and in Thailand.

[the lone wolf]

You have lost me now, i have seen a 50" piece of Ash, being machine spliced to a 10" piece of ash then handspliced on top with Ebony many a time in England and in Thailand.

Fair enough.
I must be wrong.
However I have contacted several cue makers to cover my machined cue with hand splices and all have refused saying it can't be done.

If you can do it then let me know how much you charge

[Bilston Cues]

Handsplicing Ebony on top of a machine spliced Ebony on ash cue is not what I was saying.

I thought this thread was about extending a shaft before the usually Ebony splices are added ?

Tell me you understand when I said many a cuemaker will take a 50" length of ash and extend it by machine splicing it to a 10" piece of ash?

[the lone wolf]

Handsplicing Ebony on top of a machine spliced Ebony on ash cue is not what I was saying.

I thought this thread was about extending a shaft before the usually Ebony splices are added ?

Tell me you understand when I said many a cuemaker will take a 50" length of ash and extend it by machine splicing it to a 10" piece of ash?

No I don't understand sorry.
are you saying all cue are machined spliced to the length of 60"?

Then (I'm guessing) turn them down to actual size?

Is that what you're saying?

I want to learn

[Bilston Cues]

I am saying many cuemakers extend a shaft by joining two lengths together then top splicing ebony above the joint.
The joint can be a dowel or a machine splice.

[the lone wolf]

I am saying many cuemakers extend a shaft by joining two lengths together then top splicing ebony above the joint.
The joint can be a dowel or a machine splice.

Ok thanks for sharing

[Bilston Cues]

There nothing impossible about it.
nor is there anything stopping four splices being put on top of a machine spliced cue such as your own. You must have been talking to some muppet cuemakers.

The only reason there's one or two cuemakers advertising their cues are not joined is because they have had flack from people who ain't got a bloody clue.

There's two reasons why a cue is joined aesthetics and adding weight.

joining a cue involves more work, and makes more sence so why would anyone thinks it is an inferior product ?

[the lone wolf]

There nothing impossible about it.
nor is there anything stopping four splices being put on top of a machine spliced cue such as your own. You must have been talking to some muppet cuemakers.

The only reason there's one or two cuemakers advertising their cues are not joined is because they have had flack from people who ain't got a bloody clue.

There's two reasons why a cue is joined aesthetics and adding weight.

joining a cue involves more work, and makes more sence so why would anyone thinks it is an inferior product ?

Which is why (if you choose to read) I said that if the dowelled cue is superior then why isn't it sold as the premium top of the range product and the full one piece shaft sold as the inferior product?

Hence
Are we being cheated?

[strobbekoen]

I don't think most of us here think it's a inferior product, well I don't anyway. I think most of us, who are not insiders of the cuemaking process, were not aware of the different construction methods used in 1pc cues, or why they are used. As for jointed cues, if they are made well, I can't really tell the difference with a 1pc cue. I had a 2pc (middle jointed) cue made in the 90s by Burroughes & Watts because I traveled a lot for work. Can't fault it. So I am definitely not in the camp "1pc is better". I do think the type of joint used makes a cue feel different. I like the standard screw joint as used by parris or phoenix, most quick locking joints feel a bit more dead, except the one andy gibbs used to use (with the opposing dots).

[strobbekoen]

Which is why (if you choose to read) I said that if the dowelled cue is superior then why isn't it sold as the premium top of the range product and the full one piece shaft sold as the inferior product?

Hence
Are we being cheated?

Yes. I don't think it makes any difference.

[the lone wolf]

Yes. I don't think it makes any difference.

Fair enough.
for me, when spending

[Gomaomine]

I mean, when talking about 1 pieces having a lower balance point than 3/4 cues its just not true. A full shaft or dowelled shaft can be produced to look exactly the same. and its just lead. being inserted. Im certain you could take a full shafted piece of wood, plane it down abit further than whatever distance the balance is required and then insert lead.

I understand people saying "the cue feels better as it has a full piece of wood going throughout the final product" but really, that piece of wood would've been planed down to thinly to accept the 4 splices that any perceived "better" feel "could" be negligible. The problem is "feel" cannot be measured/quantified and it could all just be a placebo in our heads.

[Bilston Cues]

Definately a placebo in some heads.

Yes lone pussy cat you have been conned into thinking theres a difference in the playability