1KILK joints? Whazzup?

[MikeWooldridge]

Obviously I disagree

lol. thought you might...

but the join works exactly as i described and the faces are never actually pulled together in any way, shape, or form. would you agree with that?

but luckily for me so do other cuemakers accross the world. 1 customer has had 3000, and has another 4000 on order, so they must work?

i don't think luck comes into it. you have worked hard at marketing the idea and deserve any success you gain from it.

must they work?

as i said, the idea is clever/simple, and it does 'join' two parts of a cue together.

but imo, there will be issues with feel and noise.

i fear there will be tears before bedtime....

and may i ask who the cuemakers are out of interest?

Changing the subject, did you get my e mail about the 1Klik telescopic extenders?

Even if you don't like the joint, I'm sure you'll like these.......

yes i did. sorry, i've been so busy myself i forgot to look into them further.

the pics are not very clear and i can't actually work out how they are different to standard telescopic extenders.

apart from having a green collar?

however, i'd be very happy to check out a sample. i've never been 100% happy with telescopic extensions so if this is made better then i'll probably have some (without the join )

I have seen and tried this joint, thanks to samples sent to me from Stan.

how did you find them in use?

I got a couple of the joints to play with and did a bit of messing around with them, I didn't find the noise or feel off putting and I certainly didn't find the performance anything other than good.

Interestingly (possibly not) I recessed a couple into the timber just to see and I liked that effect also.

I understand that I am not as qualified to comment as some of the great and more experienced minds on here but I would have to say, I like the joints.

you are as qualified as anyone to voice your opinion.

especially if you're able to put joins in cues....

I have thought about the recessed idea of the 1kilk joint as well.

recessing the join makes no difference to the mechanics of how it works.

but i like recesses....

[stan-mullin]

Hi Mike

Not quite sure how you do that 'multi post thing'

I haven't seen the cue you made for Andrew, but my own playing cue doesn't make any noise when I strike the ball. I wouldn't be able to sell it or market it if it didn't work.
The pool cue version of the joint will be launched at the BCA show at Vegas in June, two major international cuemakers will be showing it on their stands.
I will be there on one of my other customer's stands, and will have with me cues made by top cuemakers from England, Spain, France, Italy, Taiwan and Germany, all with 1Klik joints in.

Back to extenders, I have sold all my stock, I am waiting for the next delivery from Germany.
But I have some samples left over which I will send you one next week (unjointed)!!!

Please let everyone on here know what you think of them :-)

Stan

[RGCirencester]

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[dantuck_7]

early morning BUMP.!

[neptar]

I've just read though another thread on this 1klik joint and it led me to this thread. I was really interested in this at first, as the design would give a firmer contact between the male pin and the female socket. BUT, a threaded design pulls the two pieces together, putting pressure between the plates. The surface area on the plates (in terms of the axis of the force from cueball) is bigger than the surface area of the pin on this axis. Which means the threaded versions will feel more solid. While the connection is solid, it's on the wrong axis.

This is a shame, I think the design would have worked better with a tiny thread at the top, just to put some pressure on the faces. It would only need a slight thread at the shallowest of angles, so it can still lock on the twist axis properly while giving that pressure on the force (as I am now calling it) axis.

[MikeWooldridge]

very astute neptar. you've clearly thought about it.

the concept is good, and practical in many instances, but having tried it, i regret to say it does not work right. just as i suspected...

[stan-mullin]

I've just read though another thread on this 1klik joint and it led me to this thread. I was really interested in this at first, as the design would give a firmer contact between the male pin and the female socket. BUT, a threaded design pulls the two pieces together, putting pressure between the plates. The surface area on the plates (in terms of the axis of the force from cueball) is bigger than the surface area of the pin on this axis. Which means the threaded versions will feel more solid. While the connection is solid, it's on the wrong axis.

This is a shame, I think the design would have worked better with a tiny thread at the top, just to put some pressure on the faces. It would only need a slight thread at the shallowest of angles, so it can still lock on the twist axis properly while giving that pressure on the force (as I am now calling it) axis.

Don't knock it until you've tried it neptar

[MikeWooldridge]

sorry stan, i'm not trying to knock it. honest.

btw, the extension:

i found it a little awkward. what i mean is a standard tele is very simple to operate. yours is too, but when undoing it's all too easy to 'jam' up if you loosen 'too much' as the 3 sides lock on the 'wrong' side. if you know what i mean.

also, i'm struggling to understand how this can be made economically compared to simple standard design which requires just a plastic 'collar' which locks on a straight tube.

i'm gonna assume it'll cost more than i normally pay?

yours must be made/extruded like the 1klik, which surely must cost a lot more to manufacture, with no 'real' user benefits?

i just don't see a real good reason for it....

lastly, you should change materials and the colour cos i found it had a 'cheap' look and feel. that's not your fault, but the engineer, and can be adjusted easily.

again, i'm not being 'awkward', and i do apologise for seeming so, but this is genuine constructive criticism, cos as i've said before, i like new ideas and i really wanted to see it work.

but as yet, there are several issues. sorry...

[neptar]

I am not knocking it either. As I havn't tried it, and I doubt I will as I don't have the skill and material to put one in a cue for testing purposes like Mike has. And If I was to order a cue I would stick with the cue makers prefered joint. If I came across a cue with your joint then I would love to try it and see for myself. But I doubt I'll get the opportunity unless the joint becomes hugely popular. But I still stand by what I said earlier.

I don't mean to sound like I am 'having a go'. I think I would be more interested in your extensions if I am honest.

[atm147iwish]

ive just realised that i play with a 1klik joint,
never new til i read this thread, came across a very nice b n w cue which i use for pool and small table snooker. somewhere in this thread mentioned b n w usin their joints (one off or for good i just dont know) but my cue plays really nice.. once the butt just fell to the floor for no apparent but perhaps that was my fault?...

[DandyA]

it's probably not really relevant to this thread but I think it took fifty years or thereabouts for velcro to catch on ...

so don't be disheartened Stan and keep up the good work

I personally like the idea of 1Klik ... whether it is at UK 8ball or snooker, it's a bit of a pain to shorten or lengthen my cue - 10 turns anti to take one bit off, 10 turns clockwise to fit the other bit ...

Stan's 1Klik seems to sort that - 1/3 to remove, 1/3 to fit ...

Sounds good to me - might even scare the sh*t out of my opponent because, for sure, my skill certainly won't ...

After all, all's fair in love, war and pool/snooker ...

[poolqjunkie]

sorry stan, i'm not trying to knock it. honest.

btw, the extension:

i found it a little awkward. what i mean is a standard tele is very simple to operate. yours is too, but when undoing it's all too easy to 'jam' up if you loosen 'too much' as the 3 sides lock on the 'wrong' side. if you know what i mean.

also, i'm struggling to understand how this can be made economically compared to simple standard design which requires just a plastic 'collar' which locks on a straight tube.

i'm gonna assume it'll cost more than i normally pay?

yours must be made/extruded like the 1klik, which surely must cost a lot more to manufacture, with no 'real' user benefits?

i just don't see a real good reason for it....

lastly, you should change materials and the colour cos i found it had a 'cheap' look and feel. that's not your fault, but the engineer, and can be adjusted easily.

again, i'm not being 'awkward', and i do apologise for seeming so, but this is genuine constructive criticism, cos as i've said before, i like new ideas and i really wanted to see it work.

but as yet, there are several issues. sorry...

A bit off topic but I think the "traditional" blue plastic collar on most extensions look kind of cheap, too. I think an aluminum or some sort of light metal would look much nicer.

Dont you think so?

PS, Stan, I still have not received your extension yet, if you dont have one with a joint, you can send me one without, if that would be more convenient for you. Thanks a lot.

[neptar]

Sounds good to me - might even scare the sh*t out of my opponent because, for sure, my skill certainly won't ...

After all, all's fair in love, war and pool/snooker ...

Haha, you could always slip a gun down the back of your pants, so when you stretch for that awkward red, your opponent gets a quick glimpse. That would certainly scare the .... out of them. But still I have images of some Mafia style bloke walking into a club with a 1klik joint. And as he puts it together, the whole club goes silent.

[RGCirencester]

it's probably not really relevant to this thread but I think it took fifty years or thereabouts for velcro to catch on ...

so don't be disheartened Stan and keep up the good work

I personally like the idea of 1Klik ... whether it is at UK 8ball or snooker, it's a bit of a pain to shorten or lengthen my cue - 10 turns anti to take one bit off, 10 turns clockwise to fit the other bit ...

Stan's 1Klik seems to sort that - 1/3 to remove, 1/3 to fit ...

Sounds good to me - might even scare the sh*t out of my opponent because, for sure, my skill certainly won't ...

After all, all's fair in love, war and pool/snooker ...

Dandy, don't you have a WPT with an airlock?
Because I have mine down to an art form, it's 5 turns (of about half turn each, as far as I can turn it without letting go) then pull the butt off... The faster you pull them apart the louder the "phut"...
Thats my only consideration with the 1Klik, having never tried it... That it doesn't go "Phut".

[stan-mullin]

Dandy, don't you have a WPT with an airlock?
Because I have mine down to an art form, it's 5 turns (of about half turn each, as far as I can turn it without letting go) then pull the butt off... The faster you pull them apart the louder the "phut"...
Thats my only consideration with the 1Klik, having never tried it... That it doesn't go "Phut".

I do a 1Klik vacum type joint for a European custom cuemaker, this also makes the 'phut' sound, maybe I should let people have it as a butt joint?

:snooker: