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  • #16
    dave coutts reputation

    Originally Posted by ChatLag View Post
    We will hear in 16 to 20 weeks if he is happy with the result...
    Hi, would like to state that i am louise coutts and was present during the conversation with jamie baratt and also read all text messages sent including the very first one from jamie barratt whilst on holiday stating he had a jp paragon cue to sell and was dave interested (at no point did he state he was selling cue for anyone else)

    Dave has an un blemished reputation for being honest and would think nothing of turning away someone if he though he could not help them out honestly.

    jamie turned up with the cue for dave to look at stating that he knew someone that would pay him £380 for the cue. Dave was honest and said he could only give £200 so that £380 offer was a good price and that jamie should take it, but if jamie was interested in doing a swap for another cue we could do some sort of deal. He stocks hunt and osbourne, wooldridge, jp to name but a few. he had a fair choice of cues to look through, the one that took this eye was an imported cue which dave told him from the start. Dave stated he could put a badge into the cue as it was blank, which would state customised by dave coutts which is a badge he uses if he does any work on a cue and is specifically asked to put a badge on the cue (dave had re ferruled and re finished this cue so was happy to put this badge in cue) All cues made by dave have badges that specifically state hand made by dave. This was made clear to Jamie. Jamie went off to think about it and have lunch and macdonalds. whilst having lunch he rang dave to say he would swap the cue and asked dave to put one of his own badges in to which dave again stated he would only put the customised badge in as he had not made the cue.

    As for Dave stating that jp and wooldridge import there cues, Dave has been to jp workshop and seen how busy they are, and wooldridge has just had a new workshop built with plenty of dust extraction so we have no reason to believe that they do not make there own cues. Dave also used to buy cues of wooldridge trade but he is that busy at the moment had cannot supply trade cues to dave

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    • #17
      Welcome to TSF even if the start here was not perfect for you.

      Really good to hear the other side of the story.
      I do not know Dave personally but I can not imagine that you can build up a good reputation with a behavior like it was told here.
      I am confused... Oh wait... Maybe I'm not...

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      • #18
        I really hope the truth prevails... Good luck

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        • #19
          This is all getting well out of hand. All I know is that i had a Custom made JP Paragon that cost over £550 to make (including extensions and delivery) and now i've got a cue worth about £250.

          I've never said the conversation was gospel as i wasn't there myself and I hope this problem can be resolved without damaging Dave's reputation and without me being out of pocket.

          I'm going to edit the original post.
          Live for the day you're in, tomorrow is just something that may happen

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          • #20
            Is that "imported" cue a Mastercraft?

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            • #21
              Originally Posted by goshow View Post
              This is all getting well out of hand. All I know is that i had a Custom made JP Paragon that cost over £550 to make (including extensions and delivery) and now i've got a cue worth about £250.
              I dunno really, the JP Paragon was probably imported aswell if it was newish- I reckon mine was !

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              • #22
                no not a mastercraft

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                • #23
                  People, don't you think everything has been said to the original topic?
                  Why not leaving this thread rest in peace and sink down?
                  I am confused... Oh wait... Maybe I'm not...

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                  • #24
                    sure its time to lay to rest but just needed to have our say on the matter

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                    • #25
                      I couldn't agree more Louise everything has two sides to it, i know that only too well from my work.

                      Mods, please could you lock this thread down?
                      Live for the day you're in, tomorrow is just something that may happen

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                      • #26
                        Its nice to see that the issues have been resolved like they have been.

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                        • #27
                          I have dealt with Dave numerous times during the last few years and would not question his honesty or integrity. All his cues that are built from scratch have handmade by Dave Coutts lincoln on them. All other cues that he has partially worked on have customised by Dave Coutts lincoln on them. This paticular cue has the customised badge. End of story.

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                          • #28
                            Yes nearly end of story, but he quoted someone 440.00 for a swap for a JP Paragon, then quoted someone else 250.00 for the same cue. Check the post. Surely sounds iffy...

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                            • #29
                              Originally Posted by ken147 View Post
                              Yes nearly end of story, but he quoted someone 440.00 for a swap for a JP Paragon, then quoted someone else 250.00 for the same cue. Check the post. Surely sounds iffy...
                              the issue has clearly been resolved and you have kept on mentioning this. now give it a rest please.

                              not for me but for goshow. he has already implied it should be laid to rest

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                              • #30
                                at no point did we ever quote jamie a price for the import cue as he never asked and we told him straight away that we could only give him £200 for jp cue - we do run a business and i always tell people that want to part ex that i am not the best person to do it with, they should do it privately or on ebay, but most people cant be bothered to wait or be bothered with the hassle. this is the same for any business from air guns to fishing tackle that need to make a profit

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