Cue prices

[sanman]

=o)

Noel

Just a few points. Picasso never saw any of that 10mill when he completed that work. I did study art in school as a major and if I am correct Picasso would have been lucky if he even sold that work then. The point being the cuemakers in question here are receiving the money and not some investor.

The other point being this work is one of a kind which is why the price is being asked for that work although I would not buy it even if I was Bill Gates. Where is the art in a cue maker turning out similar piece after simliar piece to warrant such a comparison.

here is an attached pic of a painting I completed as a 14 year old. Now I am sure that i am never going to command 10 million. reason being I am not famous but I did have talent even back then

[Marlboro]

Sanman,

Nice painting.

[sanman]

Sanman,

Nice painting.

Thanks

Painted it when I did art in school. Did that when I was 14. just don't have time to pursue art even as a hobby

[noel]

Firstly, Sanman, thank you for posting a photo of your artwork which shows wonderful technical skills for a 14 year old!
I too studied Fine Art from an early age, as my father, like Picasso's, was a painter and arts educator.
I went on to study in art school and university, so I can appreciate the dynamics of your composition and perspective,
and your observation of the scene or photo. Yes, it is clearly a competent likeness of a bridge...
just like cuemakers make cues that look like, well, cues.

The image I posted of Picasso's "Nu couche" is much more than a picture of a sleeping nude woman.
It is about the amazing phenomenon of sleeping.
Picasso's unique ability to convey the internal essence of his subject is one reason why he is famous and you and I are not.

The reason some of the great cuemakers are as highly regarded as they are is that while all of their cues are beautiful to look
at in creative design and fit and finish, some are also about hitting a cueball.
Some embody in balance and weight and resonance and feel the essence of playing snooker.
Just as Picasso said that his works of art are always incomplete until finished by the viewer's observation and interpretation,
so too are cues meaningless until they are completed by the player.
The uniqueness of a cue to the individual player who has recognized the art in his hands is why they will keep that cue forever...
why they pay thousands to get lost or stolen cues back...
why some top careers have lost their magic touch without their "Stradivarius".

None of this has anything to do with the cost of charcoal, or canvas, or wood, or glue or brass or linseed oil.

Incidentally, by the 30's Picasso was the most famous artist alive.
By the 50's probably the wealthiest. Ever. Also, he was the most prolific, leaving a legacy of more than 50,000 works in all media at his death.

I doubt John Parris or Will Hunt or Trevor White or Mike Wooldridge will make that many cues in their lifetimes, but I do expect that the ones with that "Nu couche" essence will appreciate in more ways than one.


Cheers mate... and I hope you continue to make art in all ways!



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Noel

Just a few points. Picasso never saw any of that 10mill when he completed that work. I did study art in school as a major and if I am correct Picasso would have been lucky if he even sold that work then. The point being the cuemakers in question here are receiving the money and not some investor.

The other point being this work is one of a kind which is why the price is being asked for that work although I would not buy it even if I was Bill Gates. Where is the art in a cue maker turning out similar piece after simliar piece to warrant such a comparison.

here is an attached pic of a painting I completed as a 14 year old. Now I am sure that i am never going to command 10 million. reason being I am not famous but I did have talent even back then

[checkSide]

Nice post as usual Noel!

However I get the feeling sanman has decided some cues are a rip off, and nothing is going to change his mind...

Even if by his very criteria, he is probably getting ripped off several times a day.

[ADR147]

ok let me sum this whole thing up for you all.

Everything is worth what somebody is prepared to pay. simple as that. be it art (i deal in that also!) or cues or whatever.

[andy carson]

ok let me sum this whole thing up for you all.

Everything is worth what somebody is prepared to pay. simple as that. be it art (i deal in that also!) or cues or whatever.

I would put it like this

those prepared to pay the money for something good to help them with thier game (ie custom cue, and hand made etc...)

those who want to show off and spend too much money on a hand made cue and still play ****...

think we need to find the middle ground between them two...

[unclevit]

Firstly, Sanman, thank you for posting a photo of your artwork which shows wonderful technical skills for a 14 year old!
I too studied Fine Art from an early age, as my father, like Picasso's, was a painter and arts educator.
I went on to study in art school and university, so I can appreciate the dynamics of your composition and perspective,
and your observation of the scene or photo. Yes, it is clearly a competent likeness of a bridge...
just like cuemakers make cues that look like, well, cues.

The image I posted of Picasso's "Nu couche" is much more than a picture of a sleeping nude woman.
It is about the amazing phenomenon of sleeping.
Picasso's unique ability to convey the internal essence of his subject is one reason why he is famous and you and I are not.

The reason some of the great cuemakers are as highly regarded as they are is that while all of their cues are beautiful to look
at in creative design and fit and finish, some are also about hitting a cueball.
Some embody in balance and weight and resonance and feel the essence of playing snooker.
Just as Picasso said that his works of art are always incomplete until finished by the viewer's observation and interpretation,
so too are cues meaningless until they are completed by the player.
The uniqueness of a cue to the individual player who has recognized the art in his hands is why they will keep that cue forever...
why they pay thousands to get lost or stolen cues back...
why some top careers have lost their magic touch without their "Stradivarius".

None of this has anything to do with the cost of charcoal, or canvas, or wood, or glue or brass or linseed oil.

Incidentally, by the 30's Picasso was the most famous artist alive.
By the 50's probably the wealthiest. Ever. Also, he was the most prolific, leaving a legacy of more than 50,000 works in all media at his death.

I doubt John Parris or Will Hunt or Trevor White or Mike Wooldridge will make that many cues in their lifetimes, but I do expect that the ones with that "Nu couche" essence will appreciate in more ways than one.


Cheers mate... and I hope you continue to make art in all ways!



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Noel

Cheers I like the way you talked about cue, such as Resonance and Stradivarius. I love to hear the sound of the cue tip/shaft hitting the cueball when playing, or the value that one gives to each cue he owns. Playability vs Beauty

[poolqjunkie]

I went to a restaurant, I ordered some steak and some wine.
When the bill came, it was over $100!
What a ripped off!
So, I asked them how much was their steak and their wine. They would not answer me.
I told them a steak costs less than $10, and the vegetable cost next to nothing and so was the sauce.
They make hundreds of these same dish everyday. There is no uniquness in the item!
By then they were calling the police!
I went on to complain about the wine--the wine was even more ridiculous! It is a $30 bottle in the store, and they are charging me $90!
The bill should have been about $40!
Although they think I was crazy, I am sure Sanman would have agreed with me. Too bad he was not there.
So, I challenged the police that I could make the same dish for $10, and get the wine for $30 and I demand an apology!
They were so unreasonable they locked me up for 24 hours and asked me to go check for mental illness.
What a ripped off!

[totlxtc]

Ah! but did you take the steak and wine to a biologist to get checked it was a steak?

[andy carson]

Ah! but did you take the steak and wine to a biologist to get checked it was a steak?

should have put it under a microscope and taken pictures of it....

[atm147iwish]

i treated myself to a trev white some time ago, just because i could, and i found i got used to it instantly, the hit was perfect, compared to my previous handmade cue.

if you want to pay more for a quality product you will, and if you dont you will buy a cheaper cue which will also serve its purpose.

my dad drives a nice 30k mercedes, i tootle around in a similar spec volvo that cost 4k.
both motors do the same job... i would prefer the merc but the volvo works. end of.

[poolqjunkie]

Ah! but did you take the steak and wine to a biologist to get checked it was a steak?

Well, that might take 6 months from our scientists friends, I am afraid steak would be rotten.
But I did get the measurement. It weight 6.3458765788oz.

[MikeWooldridge]

I went to a restaurant, I ordered some steak and some wine.
When the bill came, it was over $100!
What a ripped off!
So, I asked them how much was their steak and their wine. They would not answer me.
I told them a steak costs less than $10, and the vegetable cost next to nothing and so was the sauce.
They make hundreds of these same dish everyday. There is no uniquness in the item!
By then they were calling the police!
I went on to complain about the wine--the wine was even more ridiculous! It is a $30 bottle in the store, and they are charging me $90!
The bill should have been about $40!
Although they think I was crazy, I am sure Sanman would have agreed with me. Too bad he was not there.
So, I challenged the police that I could make the same dish for $10, and get the wine for $30 and I demand an apology!
They were so unreasonable they locked me up for 24 hours and asked me to go check for mental illness.
What a ripped off!

i thought you were a vegetarian

[checkSide]

It was a bean steak...