Custom Butterfly Splice - Who makes?

[jonnylovessn8ker]

now thats pimpin'

you get all the ladies and you get to show your manhood

[ChatLag]

What a nice piece of wood.
Would be a shame to cut it. Is Mike not willing to make you a shark type cue from that wood?
Or don't you want one from him?

[eaoin11]

I always thought butterfly spliced is referred to a cue made like a Deroo cue or a MW shark, with a single butt piece glued to a shaft, with a V cut made on the shaft and butt.

So, Keith, you are saying the cue makers you have stated (Robin Cook, Dave Coutts, Tony Glover) who make their "hand butterfly spliced" cues make them with two pieces of ebony spliced to a shaft, and they do not make them with one single piece for the butt, is that correct?

And you are saying that this "butterfly spliced cue" is made like a one piece cue, so the shaft goes all the way through the splices and does not end at the junction of the splices?

May I ask how do you come up with this? Did they tell you this?

Have you seen such a cue? Can you show us any picture?

Has anyone seen such a cue, please?

I am really curious...

LOL I should've known this was coming... though your previous question seemed innocuous enough

I understand from your earlier (and very informative) posts that the term 'machine splice' has a different meaning in Canada/US but Keith didn't mention any cuemakers outside the UK.

His explanation is fine.

One visual difference I noticed is that (in the UK) a 4 point machine splice or butterfly machine splice has the fingers seperated by a little 'flat bit' for want of a better term, they don't meet at a point.

A hand spliced cue (with 2 or 4 splices) would have the fingers meet at a point, and probably look good, but if the cue maker doesn't keep the splices even I think this flaw would show up more on a 2 splice, hand spliced cue.

[trevs1]

As far as I am aware, the only way to make a butterfly spliced cue effectively is to do it as per machine spliced cues.

That would be done with a single solid piece for the butt, which is cut and bonded to the shaft.

It's no different to a machine spliced cue, only a faster way of going about it, as there will be a more basic machine setup and less cuts involved.

There are always other ways of doing things, but to do such a cue by hand would be quite pointless and look a bit untidy in many ways..

[poolqjunkie]

LOL I should've known this was coming... though your previous question seemed innocuous enough

I understand from your earlier (and very informative) posts that the term 'machine splice' has a different meaning in Canada/US but Keith didn't mention any cuemakers outside the UK.

His explanation is fine.

One visual difference I noticed is that (in the UK) a 4 point machine splice or butterfly machine splice has the fingers seperated by a little 'flat bit' for want of a better term, they don't meet at a point.

A hand spliced cue (with 2 or 4 splices) would have the fingers meet at a point, and probably look good, but if the cue maker doesn't keep the splices even I think this flaw would show up more on a 2 splice, hand spliced cue.

With all due respect, my question has nothing to do with the differences in definition of machined spliced between the UK and the US.

From Keith's posts which I have quoted, he said there were two ways to do a butterfly cue--one being hand made and one being machine made.

He said certain cue makers and he named a few such as Dave Coutts would only do it only by hand and thus charge more; while some others would do it with machine because they "have band saw."

According to him, the hand butterfly cues feature two ebony splices spliced to a shaft and is built "like a one piece" (his own words).

I have never heard of anything like this, and from Trevor White' post, he does not seem to have either.

Since Keith always sounds like such a knowledgable person on cues and his posts regarding the two types of butterfly cues were presented with names of cue makers and so on as if he really knows what he was talking about, it leads me to question where he has gathered such info.

Thank you.

[totlxtc]

Just to go back on my original question.

All im after is an answer to my question "Does anyone know any custom cuemakers who make butterfly spliced cues?". But butterfly splice I mean exactly as Trevor explained, a solid machined butt, maple shaft. I do not want the purpleheart cut in anyway as it will ruin it.

So far I have hit a brick wall with:
Robin Cook
Dave Coutts
Tony Glover
Mike Wooldridge (too busy)

I would consider going overseas to get it done as its only a simple design. Currently Brother4 is looking into one of his contacts and i hope to hear from him soon.

Dan

[KeithinFrance]

All im after is an answer to my question "Does anyone know any custom cuemakers who make butterfly spliced cues?". But butterfly splice I mean exactly as Trevor explained, a solid machined butt, maple shaft. I do not want the purpleheart cut in anyway as it will ruin it.

So far I have hit a brick wall with:
Robin Cook
Dave Coutts
Tony Glover
Mike Wooldridge (too busy)

I would consider going overseas to get it done as its only a simple design. Currently Brother4 is looking into one of his contacts and i hope to hear from him soon.

Dan

Dan,
Have you managed to get in touch with Kev Muncaster or Tony (Boo! Hiss!) Ions? I know for a fact that Tony has made some and would do again; I know that Kev has the set-up to do it, but I'm not 100% sure he'd want to do it.

Why did Dave & Robin say no, by the way? I spoke to them about such a project 3 - 4 years ago, and they both said they could do it by the method I described above, which is why I suggested them to you. Tony G was more of a gamble, but I thought if Dave & Robin could then Tony could too. Sorry mate!!

@ Trev: Hey pal! How're you? How's the hand? The cue you made for me is still the bee's knees, by the way. Just to say that I agree with all you said, except for the "untidy" part , but the original question was: who can make a butterfly cue?

[hatterboard]

have yer considered trying craftsman ?
http://www.craftsmancues.com/

[MikeWooldridge]

So far I have hit a brick wall with:
Robin Cook
Dave Coutts
Tony Glover
Mike Wooldridge (too busy)

I would consider going overseas to get it done as its only a simple design. Currently Brother4 is looking into one of his contacts and i hope to hear from him soon.

Dan

ffs! i'll hit you with a brick wall if you don't get on and have a go yourself!

did you forget?:

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LEARNING HOW TO MAKE CUES YOURSELF!!!

GRRRR, send it to me and i'll do it then! it was my idea for that bit of wood anyway...

[KeithinFrance]

1pc with white maple. I also need to see about the weighting of it as the purpleheart is alot lighter than ebony. I know its abit different than the norm. But this piece is beautiful and a waste to be cut up. So i fancy myself a nice break cue

I would make it myself, but would a dentist do his own teeth

[/U][/B] Honestly, yes!


If you want to have this cue made up and you're providing the materials, but it's to be built, weighted etc then either Dave or Robin'd do a sterling job, but Robin's a litle less busy at the mo.

Tell him I sent you and I'm sure he'll charge you a little more than usual.

ffs! i'll hit you with a brick wall if you don't get on and have a go yourself!

did you forget?:

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LEARNING HOW TO MAKE CUES YOURSELF!!!

GRRRR, send it to me and i'll do it then! it was my idea for that bit of wood anyway...

I told him, Mike, but what can you do if he doesn't want to listen?!

[eaoin11]

According to him, the hand butterfly cues feature two ebony splices spliced to a shaft and is built "like a one piece" (his own words).

I have never heard of anything like this, and from Trevor White' post, he does not seem to have either.

Since Keith always sounds like such a knowledgable person on cues and his posts regarding the two types of butterfly cues were presented with names of cue makers and so on as if he really knows what he was talking about, it leads me to question where he has gathered such info.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]


It seemed reasonable at the time that someone could do a butterfly splice by hand. Now I think about it though, the method would have to be different to that of a four splice cue. I guess the shaft wouldn't go down through the butt.

[poolqjunkie]

Dan, why dont you do it yourself?
I think you will have a lot of fun, and judging from what you have shown me, I am sure you can do a good job, it is not really that difficult.
If you dont liek to do it yourself--why dont you go to a more mass production shop like Craftsman? I think they will do a great job for you.

[sunny3909]

the man who takes 3 years to finish a cue: Tony Ions.

I would go crazy if I had to wait 3 yrs for a cue.