whats so special about jp mannock and burwat champion?

[MikeWooldridge]

Best cues ever made, bar none.

ahem (clears throat)... b*ll*cks!

The older ones 15 - 20 years are all magnificent.

lol. if i've told you not to exaggerate once, i've told you a thousand times...

on a serious note, i rate h&o very highly. but i've seen a few that weren't in the 'magnificent' range.

only to be expected though. they got big. but they did make a lot of great cues.

imo, they led the way in the early eighties for a new level of quality in cuemaking. certainly inspired me.

good to see one in the hands of someone who appreciates the quality.

[MikeWooldridge]

how is it anti grip??

i do not know for a fact, but:

i was under the impression it was cos they had slim butts. hence encouraging less of a grip than found naturally on thicker butted cues...

[ADR147]

i do not know for a fact, but:

i was under the impression it was cos they had slim butts. hence encouraging less of a grip than found naturally on thicker butted cues...

umm yes and they were made of steamed pear which is a very smooth wood.

[jonnylovessn8ker]

ahem (clears throat)... b*ll*cks!



lol. if i've told you not to exaggerate once, i've told you a thousand times...

on a serious note, i rate h&o very highly. but i've seen a few that weren't in the 'magnificent' range.

only to be expected though. they got big. but they did make a lot of great cues.

imo, they led the way in the early eighties for a new level of quality in cuemaking. certainly inspired me.

good to see one in the hands of someone who appreciates the quality.

well mike,
im sure people who owns a MW cue certainly appreciate quality too
my friend got a cue from you some time ago. lucky basta*d.
i got jealous. still am. he deeply loves the cue, and so do i

[poolqjunkie]

With more experience and more advanced technology avaliable behind a cue maker, I am very surprised to see so many people still believe that older cues are always better.

Yes, it can be the case if the cue maker start to lower his standard because he is too busy, but that is not to be confused with the myth that older wood are better and somehow older cues were made better because they were made in the old days.

I think if you ask some of the cue makers here, such as Mike or Trevor, they will tell you their present day cues are built the same if not better than the cues they built 15-20 years ago. I think it only makes sense because they now have more experience and more knowledge and most likely better equipment.

[jonnylovessn8ker]

With more experience and more advanced technology avaliable behind a cue maker, I am very surprised to see so many people still believe that older cues are always better.

Yes, it can be the case if the cue maker start to lower his standard because he is too busy, but that is not to be confused with the myth that older wood are better and somehow older cues were made better because they were made in the old days.

I think if you ask some of the cue makers here, such as Mike or Trevor, they will tell you their present day cues are built the same if not better than the cues they built 15-20 years ago. I think it only makes sense because they now have more experience and more knowledge and most likely better equipment.

hahaha OK!!
to mike:
fair question here.
do you think your cues today are better than the ones you made before? in which way?

[MikeWooldridge]

hahaha OK!!
to mike:
fair question here.
do you think your cues today are better than the ones you made before? in which way?

yes. but small things

i still learn to this day, so every step is an improvement in my eyes.

but maybe not in the final product so much, more in the way the result is achieved.

that said, some cues i made 20 years ago are great cues regardless.

hopefully i'll never stop learning...

[jb134]

ahem (clears throat)... b*ll*cks!



lol. if i've told you not to exaggerate once, i've told you a thousand times...

on a serious note, i rate h&o very highly. but i've seen a few that weren't in the 'magnificent' range.

only to be expected though. they got big. but they did make a lot of great cues.

imo, they led the way in the early eighties for a new level of quality in cuemaking. certainly inspired me.

good to see one in the hands of someone who appreciates the quality.

Lol. A valid point, it would be more accurate to say that every one I have seen is magnificent. Alas, I have not seen them all.

However, I have seen quite a few and they have all been magnificent.

From your statement above you seem to accept that once a cuemaker gets big, quality suffers. Is that the case?

Please note that is a serious question, not a barb or a dig in any way.

[MikeWooldridge]

From your statement above you seem to accept that once a cuemaker gets big, quality suffers. Is that the case?

imo, it's very difficult to maintain quality standards once you start taking large orders, delegating jobs, and relying on others eyes to check things are 'right'.

Please note that is a serious question, not a barb or a dig in any way.

lol, it doesnt apply to me, i may be relatively high profile, but my business is not 'big' by any stretch of the imagination. nothing like h&o was, or parris etc..

i'm in total control of what i do and the stuff i send out today is better than it ever was.

even better than your 'magnificent' h&o i suspect...

[jb134]

even better than your 'magnificent' h&o i suspect...

Send me one up and I'll let you know.

[ChatLag]

I am in the lucky position to have a Hunt & O'Byrne black plate AND a Mike Wooldridge.

I had three Hunt & Osborne black plate and three Hunt & O'Byrne black plate cues and sold all but the one I have.

The Hunt & Osborne are really good but not sensational.

The Hunt & O'Byrnes are all great and the one I kept is fantastic.

But the best of all in terms of attention to detail and overall quality the one from Mike is even better.
The splicing and the alignment of grain is perfect. And on the H&o'B it is almost perfect.

And the color of the ash of the MW will be of the same honey color in twenty years, i hope.

(I'll send you the invoice for this sugar, Mike... )

[MikeWooldridge]

Send me one up and I'll let you know.

lol. can't. postal strike.

And the color of the ash of the MW will be of the same honey color in twenty years, i hope.

the paint's only guaranteed for 6 months

and did i mention don't take the cue out in the rain in case the those perfect 'splices' start to 'run'

[jonnylovessn8ker]

lol. can't. postal strike.



the paint's only guaranteed for 6 months

and did i mention don't take the cue out in the rain in case the those perfect 'splices' start to 'run'

how about hong kong?
the strike is only within uk hahahahahahahhaha

[ChatLag]

the paint's only guaranteed for 6 months

and did i mention don't take the cue out in the rain in case the those perfect 'splices' start to 'run'

LOL. To prevent that I covered the cue with scotchtape. Now I can take it in the rain...

[poolqjunkie]

Just stain it all up with some dark brown dye and sell it as a pearwood shaft. Make sure you stain it with oil based stain this time though.