Number of Chevrons, Any geographical trends or just personal preference?

[RGCirencester]

At the minute, looking at peoples cues and opinions on this forum, it seems many european people look for few arrows, and a lot of thai, malaysian etc. people prefer a cue wth as many arrows as possible? Not sure if this is a trend or just the way opinions is swinging on here atm (by coincidence)

Just wondering what people thought?


Also can anyone tell me why they prefer as many arrows as possible (like 10+)? I get the few arrows, clean look, but not the many arrows viewpoint?

Personally I am not fussed, I would just like the cuemaker to choose the best shaft for me, in his opinion. Whether that be 0 chevrons or 20 I am not bothered.

[noel]

Just wondering what people thought?
Whether that be 0 chevrons or 20 I am not bothered.

It matters to me Rob.
If I order a cue, the chevrons on the ash shaft have to be exact.
Not just "how many" but the interval or spaces between have to follow the Fibonacci series...

http://textism.com/bucket/fib.html

The evolutionary ever-accelarating number, like the way, after your backswing and pause you stroke the ball with a Fibonacci increasing thrust that is, well, perfect and that is found in all living things perhaps...





=o)

Noel

[khizzy]

according to me its not the number of chevrons but the way how they are spaced and should be straight.

th far eastern players have nore chevrons probably beacause i have seen that the thai cuemakers like omin and master use some other kind of ash which has very fine and thin chevrons with very less space in between, but this kind of ash feels very hollow and whippy.

[jonnylovessn8ker]

actually

it would be really really really really cool to have an ash shaft with NO ARROWS at all, front and back. The shaft also feeling really solid and firm too.

That would be my dream cue.

It's all just grain, dead straight grain, each and every one of them.

I dont think we've seen anything like that yet.

[Lux]

actually

it would be really really really really cool to have an ash shaft with NO ARROWS at all, front and back. The shaft also feeling really solid and firm too.

That would be my dream cue.

It's all just grain, dead straight grain, each and every one of them.

I dont think we've seen anything like that yet.

I think what you're describing is maple.

[mchpddl1]

In fact ash wood does not have black grain originally, only dyned with black inks.

You can order an ash cue without any dyned chevrons.

[brendan147]

Save time+money

At the minute, looking at peoples cues and opinions on this forum, it seems many european people look for few arrows, and a lot of thai, malaysian etc. people prefer a cue wth as many arrows as possible? Not sure if this is a trend or just the way opinions is swinging on here atm (by coincidence)

Just wondering what people thought?


Also can anyone tell me why they prefer as many arrows as possible (like 10+)? I get the few arrows, clean look, but not the many arrows viewpoint?

Personally I am not fussed, I would just like the cuemaker to choose the best shaft for me, in his opinion. Whether that be 0 chevrons or 20 I am not bothered.

RGC,

When I asked Unclevit about this, his friend, UT (the guru for most of Omin's cuemakers) told him that shaft with many and evenly seperated arrows would provide very nice "spring" to the shaft when it hit the cue ball. However, the shaft itself must be qualified for production before it is considered "QC TEST PASSED".

Also, there is someone in TSF (I forgot which 1 is the thread already) said that the more and the tighter the arrows, the longer the age and the more matured of the wood should be. I hope he was right.

Anyway, if you ask TW (as I did), he will not agree with this fact. MW have the same with opinion too (you know him better).

As conclusion, looking for a nice+many+evenly seperated arrows ash shaft is troublesome for the cuemakers, as well as cost you more.

I did ask Unclevit if UT can find this kind of shaft since early November 2009, and he still can't find one for me as the timeline (early January 2010) I gave him is getting closer. I am no.5 in queing for this type of shaft, and he is still unable to get it for the 1st person in the que.

Now I just ask UT to proceed with the "normal" shaft , as long it is in the best of playing quality, that will be just fine. Money management is another part of this deal.

What do you think now?

[totlxtc]

Shafts...

Ok, here you have 3 cues.....which is the best shaft? I'll let you know after a few guesses.

Left? Middle? or Right?

[Qubit]

Depends on criteria for 'best' Can't really tell from looking. Personally im not that bothered by chevrons, although i do like a few nearer the tip, or more accurately i dont like an absence of them if they then appear in my line of sight further down the shaft. (if that makes sense).

back to the 3 shafts. I can't quite see the far end of them, but im plumping for the middle shaft! lol

[totlxtc]

Depends on criteria for 'best' Can't really tell from looking. Personally im not that bothered by chevrons, although i do like a few nearer the tip, or more accurately i dont like an absence of them if they then appear in my line of sight further down the shaft. (if that makes sense).

back to the 3 shafts. I can't quite see the far end of them, but im plumping for the middle shaft! lol

Well done!! It was purely an example to show that perfect chevrons do not make a cue. The middles shaft is a very good playing shaft....and that is what matters!

[dantuck_7]

No can't tell much from the photo... middle looks okay? which one is mine?!

[Wayne G]

All three are probably good shafts - depends on the individual.

Wayne G

[brendan147]

Well done!! It was purely an example to show that perfect chevrons do not make a cue. The middles shaft is a very good playing shaft....and that is what matters!

Hmmm...I can't tell you my answer since I need to test all of them first...
But you are completely right...perfect chevrons does not matter....

[totlxtc]

The thing is yes they all play well, but the middle shaft is by far the best. And yes to one person one maybe the better of the 3. But I think sometimes people are too stuck in the idea of number of chevrons and straightness of grain etc...

Lets say you have 100 shafts. You want 4 perfect spaced arrows, very light shaft wood and no arrows on the rear. Now you could easily remove 80-90% of the shafts! So that is 80 - 90 shafts that could have very good playing shafts amongst them.

If i was to order a cue now (Which im not) then all i would ask for is a medium/stiff shaft and not bother with the chevrons.

[eaoin11]

Actually RGC, several of the more prominent asian members have suggested that shafts with fewer chevrons play better, Jonnylovessnooker, brother4 and cueinhand have i think. UncleVit has put up a few shafts recommended for their playing qualities and all of them had rel few chevrons. The omin classic with many chevrons (lamented by Omin for being "too good" for that model) was an exception. It was also recommended for it's playing characteristics but to be honest it made me wonder if that little post was meant to balance demand for shafts with more chevrons.