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[trevs1]

I see the thread titled..... "Trevor White - John Parris" has now been deleted, and as much as I don't want to go over it all again, I want to make something clear.

I have spoken to the OP via email about the issues surrounding this thread, and although he is still unwilling to confirm the dealer in question, I think I have a good idea what is going on here. I may well be wrong with who the dealer is, but if not, I am pretty confident that the cues being sold are not new, and I know for certain they did not come directly from me. This is not the first time I've head of things like this, whereby a used cue is refinished and sold as new, simply to enable someone to increase their profit on it. It isn't right, but there's not a lot I, or anyone else can do to stop that sadly.

If I am right with where I think these cues were viewed, then I know for a fact that one of the cues was sold to someone I know fairly well, only a few months ago. This cue was actually sold as a very slight second, due to the fact that it had a small defect to the grain in the front splice. This could have been respliced, and sold on as perfect, but the person in question decided to take it as it was, at a price reduced by well over £100 below what it would cost to have such a cue built. He was happy with the deal, and I was happy enough to let him have it cheap. Sadly, it appears now that this cue has ended up at a dealers shop, where it is being sold as new. I have no idea who told who it was new, so don't really want to start pointing fingers. But, it's fair to say that it's disappointing to see that this has been, or is trying to be, passed off as a brand new unused perfect cue, when it is anything but that. To me, it creates the impression for a potential buyer that this is what a perfect brand new cue built by me would be like, when in reality is is not.

I can't comment on any other cues this shop has for sale which I may have made, or what of prices they are being sold for, I have not seen them, but again, I'd be doubtful whether they are 'new', and in any case, they certainly did NOT come directly from me.

Finally, my advice to anyone considering buying anything which bares my name is to ask me. That way you will get nothing but an accurate honest answer.

[DWOT]

Good advice that! Was it the cue Caz had from you?

[trevs1]

Good advice that! Was it the cue Caz had from you?

.........No.

[DWOT]

.........No.

Not his new one, but didn't he have one with a slight fault off you a while back?

It matters not, I'm just killing time waiting to get better, I'd ask for splinting advice again but I think we covered that well enough!

[Neil Taperell]

Sounds like it . Not Peter's fault . Just some chancer trying to cash in on Trevor's good name and defraud the general public .

It's a shame the guy who started the original thread did not know the facts before he posted . As there would obviously not been the original thread in the 1st place .

[Stupree]

It must be very frustrating having put a lot of hard work and effort in to establishing your name only for some unscrupulous people to act in such a way to harm your reputation. Hopefully this is an isolated incident and there is plenty of delighted TW cue owners to set this right. Hoping to become one eventually!

Keep making stunning cues and keep being a generally top bloke.

[trevs1]

Guys, please don't add 2 and 2 and come up with 5. It is not Pete's cue or any cue he has had.

The cue which he had cheap was bought directly from me, and was a cue I more than likely would have otherwise thrown in the bin.
He wanted to give it a go and I let him try it, in fact, for less money than he'd offered me for it.

The cues in question are being sold in a SHOP, by a cue dealer by all accounts. They are being sold as new, when they were just not ordered and bought from me, but more than likely from some third / fourth party who had owned them previously. The one cue in particular is definitely not a new cue, and was sold to someone I know well as a slight second for a lower price than it would have otherwise been.

Somehow, it appears it's being sold as new, which kind of ****es me off a bit. Still, there's nowt I can do about it and I can't really say I'd care all that much as a rule. However, this cue, along with perhaps one or two others, has been looked at by the person who asked the questions on quality. That then is a reflection on the standard of what I do, which is misleading to say the least.

[DWOT]

Fair play chap!

[Neil Taperell]

Sorry for part of my post trevor . Just sounded like Peter's cue .Apologises .

[Inoffthered]

Guys, please don't add 2 and 2 and come up with 5. It is not Pete's cue or any cue he has had.

The cue which he had cheap was bought directly from me, and was a cue I more than likely would have otherwise thrown in the bin.
He wanted to give it a go and I let him try it, in fact, for less money than he'd offered me for it.

The cues in question are being sold in a SHOP, by a cue dealer by all accounts. They are being sold as new, when they were just not ordered and bought from me, but more than likely from some third / fourth party who had owned them previously. The one cue in particular is definitely not a new cue, and was sold to someone I know well as a slight second for a lower price than it would have otherwise been.

Somehow, it appears it's being sold as new, which kind of ****es me off a bit. Still, there's nowt I can do about it and I can't really say I'd care all that much as a rule. However, this cue, along with perhaps one or two others, has been looked at by the person who asked the questions on quality. That then is a reflection on the standard of what I do, which is misleading to say the least.

TBH, I only learned about Trevor White since joining this forum almost a year ago. What I have seen ( in pictures on here and the personal reviews from his customers ) has given me EVERY CONFIDENCE in placing my order with him. I don't doubt for a moment that the cue I'll get in a few weeks time will have been worth the wait. You only have to see Caz's latest cue ( 'the one'? ), to see Trev's workmanship oozes class.

I also realise people on here stating as such, is just part of the bargain. The OP's deleted thread had the potential to hurt Trevor's reputation and I don't blame him for protecting this. Just wanted to add to this thread, to show Trevor many, many people on this forum ( and who join the forum ) will have continued confidence in his reputation and ability as a cuemaker. Keep up the great work Trevor!

PS. NOT kissing ass, just had to be said.

[cazmac1]

I'm fairly confident that the cue I sold was brought as a playing cue and not to sell on.

[cueman]

I guess its out of peoples hands sometimes but why would anyone want to deal with a cue dealer? I mean we all have a brain and this forum is a wonderful tool to gain knowledge and Trev is a member so why do people still use these dealers? They are absolute scum, buying in bulk and then selling them off for profit, you really don't know what you are getting or the history. Would you buy a car without knowing the history of it or where it had come from, the same applies to cues. Take my advice, avoid dealers at your peril, if you want something get it from a reputable source, ideally from the manufacturer themselves, at least you are guaranteed quality and authenticity and if there are any problems they will be glad to sort it out. Also for people like Trevor this kind of thing can seriously damage his reputation and for what, because some c*** decided to sell off something as brand new despite it having a flaw and now people think that this is reflective of all Trevors good work.

[Neil Taperell]

Depends what dealer you deal with . There are a couple of very good dealers on this Forum that i've used . Very happy no complaints .
You just need to do your homework . I used dealers to save on waiting times , as the specs where what i was looking for .

[fredkite]

I guess its out of peoples hands sometimes but why would anyone want to deal with a cue dealer? I mean we all have a brain and this forum is a wonderful tool to gain knowledge and Trev is a member so why do people still use these dealers? They are absolute scum, buying in bulk and then selling them off for profit, you really don't know what you are getting or the history. Would you buy a car without knowing the history of it or where it had come from, the same applies to cues. Take my advice, avoid dealers at your peril, if you want something get it from a reputable source, ideally from the manufacturer themselves, at least you are guaranteed quality and authenticity and if there are any problems they will be glad to sort it out. Also for people like Trevor this kind of thing can seriously damage his reputation and for what, because some c*** decided to sell off something as brand new despite it having a flaw and now people think that this is reflective of all Trevors good work.

The scum bit is a very harsh, i've bought cues for mates from dealers who frequent this forum and they've been happy with the cues and cost. Also isn't buying in bulk and selling for a profit standard business practice?