Ferrule length makes a difference in feel?

[jonnylovessn8ker]

was having a discussion with a friend the other day, do shortening the length of ferrules and thinen ferrule wall improve the feel of the cue?

I mean, by doing so, there more wood in the center of the ferrule. because it is shorter, the likeliness of ferrule snapping is reduced due to less stress induced on the ferruled wood?? thinen the walls would make the wood diameter bigger, making more wood exposure? altogether, because there's less brass and more wood, it would improve the feel?

This is purely food for thought. I am no expert. I'd love it if someone can shed some light on this matter.

[Kevin DeRoo]

Yes a brass ferrule with a thinner wall will have a benefit. Its not recommended to go less than .025" wall thickness, because you risk
that the brass wall will split with continuous use.The best material for a thin wall is stainless steel.
The benefit is that the cue will have less cue ball deflection and sometimes a softer hit.
Kevin

[Mark62]

Ferrule length makes a difference in feel?

Hi not sure on feel with a shorter ferrule, I'm sure you do get more feel but I can tell you that the white will not throw as much with a thinner ferrule. This I know as I was talking to Peter Ebdon on the very same subject 3 weeks ago. Hope this helps
Regards
Mark

[The Doctor]

I would say that a shorter and thinner ferrule will throw less for sure and having tried several types I would also say I think there is more feel too, although this could just be my preference.
I have been experimenting with different materials too and have just put on a ferrule made from delrin onto a cue destined for Terry Davidson. It is a strong and lightweight material that I feel will offer a real alternative to brass. It comes in white or black. There are other materials too and I intend to try several.

[YDJ]

I personally think the length, wall thickness, and material does make a difference. How much is very subjective and difficult to measure.
I've been using a titanium ferrule for a while. It's half the weight of brass and much stronger so you can have a thinner wall, giving a larger diameter wooden tenon. Good for smaller diameter pool tips imo.

[Inoffthered]

I would say that a shorter and thinner ferrule will throw less for sure and having tried several types I would also say I think there is more feel too, although this could just be my preference.

I've found the same to be true ( for me anyways ) :P

[old school]

A lot less throw / deflection with shorter and lighter ferrules.I have a birds eye maple shafted 9mm cue with a ferrule of 5.5mm L and the difference in throw is noticeable.I also agree with YDJ in that I have a pear shafted pool cue witha 7.8/7.9mm ferrule on and this ferrule is only about 4mm long.This cue plays soft anyway but has less throw and the reaction you get on the cue ball is unreal , it took me a while to get used to, overscrewing and stunning way too much at first, but when you get the hang of it little stun and screw shots in the middle of the table or in a cluster of balls is accurate and very easy.Compensating for less throw means you just have to re-learn how to play, but its not difficult.

[MikeWooldridge]

this subject is interesting, and worthy of consideration as every little helps.

actually, i am about to launch my new ferrule and core technology, and am quietly confident i have improved something that, until recently, i did not think could be improved.

the doctor - forget delrin/acetal. i used it years ago, but it does not glue well and you, or your customers, will have problems with sticking tips on.

it is a very useful and versatile material but not good for ferrules. trust me on that, just trying to save you some issues

[old school]

Google " QP Deflection Article - Que Perfect " it is an old article ,about 2007 and concerns pool cue shafts ,mostly, but there are relevant points in the article.Rambles a bit at times and humorous but worth persevering with.One for you Mike W ( kindred spirit perhaps ? )

[nrage]

I was wondering, if like most things, there is a tradeoff involved here. We have some cheap pool cues here at work with very light tips, in part because the wood is cheap/light, but also the ferrule is not a heavy material. The result is that they do not throw very much at all, but you also cannot strike the white with much top, bottom or side without risking a misscue. I suspect that this reduced tip contact range is the trade-off/result of the lightness of the tip.

It makes sense to me this way.. either the ball or the tip or both have to give on contact, they will each give by a certain amount, if one gives by a lot, the other will give by less and vice-versa. I suspect the amount of give required is related to the mass or inertia of the white and/or the mass/force applied by the cue. If the cue gives by too much, you get a misscue. If the white gives by too much you also get a misscue. The amount of give by the white equals the throw.

So, ultimately there seems to me to be a trade-off between amount of throw and chance of misscue/tip striking range.

[poolqjunkie]

I would say that a shorter and thinner ferrule will throw less for sure and having tried several types I would also say I think there is more feel too, although this could just be my preference.
I have been experimenting with different materials too and have just put on a ferrule made from delrin onto a cue destined for Terry Davidson. It is a strong and lightweight material that I feel will offer a real alternative to brass. It comes in white or black. There are other materials too and I intend to try several.

Delrin is a nice material for polishing and machining and it is quite strong but it does not really work well with any glue that I know of. You need to thread it on the wood tenon before you glue the ferrule but then the tip may still pop off easily. I say use high grade epoxy rather than super glue when you glue the tip on and leave it for a long time before you touch it.

[The Doctor]

The delrin ferrule is threaded on and i use an epoxy resin to glue it on too. I have just installed a talisman using evostick impact adhesive and will test in over next few days.
Another type material I've used is nylon 66 this glues really well and is similar to delrin.

Mike I really appreciate your input too, as a man with so many years of experience, any advice is worth taking into consideration.

[The Doctor]

Tried the impact adhesive and it didn't hold very well. Have tried a super glue gel and it seems ok but still to test.
If it doesn't work, I know nylon 66 works very well, so will do the ferrule in that.
There are quite a lot of different materials that would potentialy work for ferrules but a lot of time testing is required.
I intend to carry on with several and work out which gives best results.
Of course brass will always be a favorite of many.

[poolqjunkie]

Tried the impact adhesive and it didn't hold very well. Have tried a super glue gel and it seems ok but still to test.
If it doesn't work, I know nylon 66 works very well, so will do the ferrule in that.
There are quite a lot of different materials that would potentialy work for ferrules but a lot of time testing is required.
I intend to carry on with several and work out which gives best results.
Of course brass will always be a favorite of many.

Delrin is best used in area where a self lubricating or self polishing function is needed. I would suggest you use some really good epoxy and clamp the tip over night before you trim it. That is your best bet. Super glue gel is really just hit and miss especially with layered tip.

Good luck.

[The Doctor]

Delrin is best used in area where a self lubricating or self polishing function is needed. I would suggest you use some really good epoxy and clamp the tip over night before you trim it. That is your best bet. Super glue gel is really just hit and miss especially with layered tip.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]
Cheers for advice m8 I appreciate it. Gonna test it over next few days and see how it does.