straight cue?

[jrc750]

History has proven anyway that you don't need a straight cue to be a Champion. Not the most important thing in the world, if it sights straight that should be good enough for you.

[Cue_Seeker]

History has proven anyway that you don't need a straight cue to be a Champion. Not the most important thing in the world, if it sights straight that should be good enough for you.

this post is not about whether a straight cue will give better playing result. It is solely focused on reasons behind the wobbles etc.
I agree if it feels straight for you, then it's great!

[ADR147]

rolling is for people who don't understand cues - a cue may or may not roll straight because a cue is not a perfect cone - and it is not weighted as such either, if you understand cues the whole idea of rolling them on a table is silly.

[Cue_Seeker]

rolling is for people who don't understand cues - a cue may or may not roll straight because a cue is not a perfect cone - and it is not weighted as such either, if you understand cues the whole idea of rolling them on a table is silly.

I've mentioned in my post that this only applies to straight tapered cues. are you telling me that a meant to be straight tapered cue SHOULD NOT have a perfect cone, it should(if it doesn't then it is an indication of a flaw, whether it affects your playing or not)! no matter how it is weighted, the center of gravity occurs still around 1/4 of the length from the end of the butt!

[billabong]

I've mentioned in my post that this only applies to straight tapered cues. are you telling me that a meant to be straight tapered cue SHOULD NOT have a perfect cone, it should(if it doesn't then it is an indication of a flaw, whether it affects your playing or not)! no matter how it is weighted, the center of gravity occurs still around 1/4 of the length from the end of the butt!

No such thing a a perfect cone. How perfect do you think this wooden cone will be ? Even a toolmaker would struggle to make a metal cone with a form value of <0.005mm.
Knowing that a wooden cone cannot be perfect, consider the impact of the location of the small variancies. These tiny variances can
make the roll totally different depending on their location either along the length of the wood, or rotationally. The cue could still look, feel & play straight, but not roll perfect.
Even calipers can't really be used for diameter measurements, as 2 points of contact can give a false reading if there is any lobbing in the dia.

[Cue_Seeker]

that makes a lot of sense. one question, as in the example I gave above. "2 hand crafted cues from the same maker, with the exact same specifications, all meant to be straight taper, one rolls more perfect than the other, which one would you buy?" Ceteris paribus (meaning all other things held the same).

[The Doctor]

I understand the logic of what your saying, however, It only takes a tiny grain of sand to make a cue not roll straight, and even if a cue is done by hand or machine, it only takes a tint portion of grain or splice to make a cue seem to roll off, therefor, one would always be better to use the eye to check for straight tapers.

[ADR147]

that makes a lot of sense. one question, as in the example I gave above. "2 hand crafted cues from the same maker, with the exact same specifications, all meant to be straight taper, one rolls more perfect than the other, which one would you buy?" Ceteris paribus (meaning all other things held the same).

i wouldn't know because i would not have rolled it on the table - the way a cue is constructed means it's not a reliable method to check, most cues for example have a flat for your hand. i can say 100% for sure i have seen straight cues that roll bend and bent cues that roll straight and if you ask anybody who either makes, deals in or collects cues they will tell you the same thing.

[ADR147]

I've mentioned in my post that this only applies to straight tapered cues. are you telling me that a meant to be straight tapered cue SHOULD NOT have a perfect cone, it should(if it doesn't then it is an indication of a flaw, whether it affects your playing or not)! no matter how it is weighted, the center of gravity occurs still around 1/4 of the length from the end of the butt!

no cues are generally not a perfect cone most playesr would not like that. in general cues are pretty much the same size around where your hand is and then taper off.

[billabong]

that makes a lot of sense. one question, as in the example I gave above. "2 hand crafted cues from the same maker, with the exact same specifications, all meant to be straight taper, one rolls more perfect than the other, which one would you buy?" Ceteris paribus (meaning all other things held the same).

So there's a table available, AND the cues are available. Why would anyone not base the choice on how they play / feel ?



Don't tell me . . there's no balls at this table :wink-new:

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[ADR147]

So there's a table available, AND the cues are available. Why would anyone not base the choice on how they play / feel ?



Don't tell me . . there's no balls at this table :wink-new:

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lol a good point well made.

[Cue_Seeker]

I understand the logic of what your saying, however, It only takes a tiny grain of sand to make a cue not roll straight, and even if a cue is done by hand or machine, it only takes a tint portion of grain or splice to make a cue seem to roll off, therefor, one would always be better to use the eye to check for straight tapers.

Thanks for the understanding, and I guess it's just my eyes, I tried to sight a lot of warped cues, and I am just not able to sight the bend. it's just me I guess

[ADR147]

Thanks for the understanding, and I guess it's just my eyes, I tried to sight a lot of warped cues, and I am just not able to sight the bend. it's just me I guess

are you rotating the cue under your stronger eye? you should see a ripple if the cue is not straight.

[Cue_Seeker]

I did the sight-right thing endorsed by steve davis(you can youtube it), and apparently I don't really have a noticeable strong eye.

[ADR147]

I did the sight-right thing endorsed by steve davis(you can youtube it), and apparently I don't really have a noticeable strong eye.

almost everybody has a stronger eye apparently about 75% of people it's the right eye and 25% the left with just a handful that have no dominance. which eye do you sight with when you play?