Graeme Dott's Parris Ultimate No.2050

[cueman]

U have a vested unterest in JPs biz

Eh!?!? I have no vested interest with anyone in the snooker cue business. I know a lot about cues and know quite a few cue makers having had cues made by many of them over the past 15 years or so. I just don't understand the damn right sometimes libelous comments that seem to be thrown about on here by some members who seem too quick to try and damage reputations.

Look on here at any thread regarding cue makers and you will see mainly only positive comments, however as soon as JP is mentioned it seems like its a cue for others to jump in to slag him, yourself being one of the main protagonists. How about when you start trying to sell your cues you claim to be working on I come on here and slag you off at every opportunity, see how you feel about that?

[poona]

I've had numerous Parris cues and they were of good quality. However, I disagree with you on I'm afraid. I feel folk are within their every right to slag, slate, rejoice, praise or critique any cue maker who sells within this consumer category as often as they feel suit.

If you don't like for example a BMW car for the way it was made, you buy different car. You don't go calling BMW to share your opinions on how you feel the workmanship is poor and substandard to your expectations. Why is it any different with the workmanship of cues?

Where Parris in particular is concerned, I very much bet his brand is strong enough to endure a few gripes exchanged on this forum.

[DeanH]

hi, can you tell me what is the different between a parris ultimate cue and their normal collection? (apart from the price)

The Ultimate cues have specially selected shafts, which if I recall correctly from the JP site, is only about 1% of the wood stock.

[sanman]

I think you need to reassess what you have just said here because in JPs case i think crticism is fully justified. I have owned JP cues in the past so I am qualified to comment. The thing that irks me about JP the first being a non responding member. In the not so distant past when members criticised his work JP's response was to simply disrespect people here by insisting very much like you, that he is being unneccesarily slagged off. Instaed of looking at the isssues being raised his attitude indicates to me that he does not care about customer satisfaction and it shows, when you look at his work ie, Ultimates with uneven splices( incidently this would be a MW sinbin and not even carry his badge) then there is ample justification for his being slagged off. ANd as for the cues I am making i would consider being slagged of as a pleasure. U see this would highlight the areas of concern that i need to address. Out next month so please be the first to slag me off as long as its justifiable criticism. U dont see me slagging of MW, GBL, TW, Jason Owen etc.

Eh!?!? I have no vested interest with anyone in the snooker cue business. I know a lot about cues and know quite a few cue makers having had cues made by many of them over the past 15 years or so. I just don't understand the damn right sometimes libelous comments that seem to be thrown about on here by some members who seem too quick to try and damage reputations.

Look on here at any thread regarding cue makers and you will see mainly only positive comments, however as soon as JP is mentioned it seems like its a cue for others to jump in to slag him, yourself being one of the main protagonists. How about when you start trying to sell your cues you claim to be working on I come on here and slag you off at every opportunity, see how you feel about that?

[narl]

If the cue plays well, personally I couldn't care if the splicing is marginally off.

[sanman]

What are you paying premium price for. If you buy a ferrari you are sure it is fast. Would you accept it with body panels not in line

If the cue plays well, personally I couldn't care if the splicing is marginally off.

[cueman]

If the cue plays well, personally I couldn't care if the splicing is marginally off.

Too true, I think far too many people are fussing over slight problems like splicing accuracy which all cue makers get wrong from time to time though individual cue makers take more care because they can. JP runs a business with hundreds of orders every month, they simply cannot have the level of control and accuracy because of the pressure to get orders out. But what JP does deliver is damn good playing cues, the number of pros using them is testament to that and also the amount of good amatuers who use them too. Its all well and good criticising splicing accuracy but you have to ask the question is the cue for playing with or looking at. IF people judge looks over the playability then it says it all about their ability, they cannot play IMO so their judgement doesn't come into the equation. My argument has always been if you have a problem take it direct to the cue maker, don't air your dirty laundry on here without giving the cue maker the chance to rectify things.

[jrc750]

Too true, I think far too many people are fussing over slight problems like splicing accuracy which all cue makers get wrong from time to time though individual cue makers take more care because they can. JP runs a business with hundreds of orders every month, they simply cannot have the level of control and accuracy because of the pressure to get orders out. But what JP does deliver is damn good playing cues, the number of pros using them is testament to that and also the amount of good amatuers who use them too. Its all well and good criticising splicing accuracy but you have to ask the question is the cue for playing with or looking at. IF people judge looks over the playability then it says it all about their ability, they cannot play IMO so their judgement doesn't come into the equation. My argument has always been if you have a problem take it direct to the cue maker, don't air your dirty laundry on here without giving the cue maker the chance to rectify things.

I agree accurate splicing doesn't help pot the balls, but if you are paying top dollar for a cue, you should expect it to be made correctly !!
If splicing is way out, which appears to be the case with most JP cues these days, they should be offered at a vastly reduced price imo

[cueman]

What are you paying premium price for. If you buy a ferrari you are sure it is fast. Would you accept it with body panels not in line

Here we go again with a completely unrelated pointless argument. You are comparing a £100k+ precision engineered sports car to a piece of wood of around £400+ and you expect me to take you seriously? If you think that is a premium then you have a funny idea of the cost of living in the UK. You've stirred up something completely unnecessary here and personally insulted me claming I have a vested interest in JP which is a complete and utter fabrication and slanderous comment I might add.

[jrc750]

Here we go again with a completely unrelated pointless argument. You are comparing a £100k+ precision engineered sports car to a piece of wood of around £400+ and you expect me to take you seriously? If you think that is a premium then you have a funny idea of the cost of living in the UK. You've stirred up something completely unnecessary here and personally insulted me claming I have a vested interest in JP which is a complete and utter fabrication and slanderous comment I might add.

Sanman not on line so i will comment, hope you don't mind
I think sanman is saying JP is the Ferrari of the cue world (price wise), so you should expect them to be the best, they are far far far from it (looks wise)

[cueman]

Sanman not on line so i will comment, hope you don't mind
I think sanman is saying JP is the Ferrari of the cue world (price wise), so you should expect them to be the best, they are far far far from it (looks wise)

Yeah but its a lame line and tbh I don't honestly think you can judge JP's prices are any higher than most of the other premium cue makers like Mike, Coutts, Trevor etc. The stupid thing is people have a choice today to go with whatever cue maker they feel. I just don't understand why everytime someone can find a pic of a Parris with the splices slightly out why there has to be a full on inquest and discussion with the same old members digging in the knife each time. Yet some people say I have a vested interest yet its those who make cues or sell them that seem to have the vested interest in slagging JP at every opportunity. I praise all cue makers, never give out any criticism because if I had a problem it would be and should be between the customer and the seller.

I say this, if you buy a ferrari or other premium brand item I'm guessing that if it came with a problem you would go straight back to the manufacturer rather than moan about it on the Internet. So why when buying cues is this not done! The reason is people love to moan and as JP isn't on here to defend himself he is the one who gets more criticism than anyone else. I doubt he's that bothered though anyway, he'll go down as the most successful cue maker in history, his cues have been used by more pros than any other by a long way which will also go down in history to win the most titles as well. Playability >>>>>>>>>> looks!

[jrc750]

Well that's the problem with forums, people can say anything and not worry (too much) about what problems it may cause.
JP shouldn't be selling cues at the high price if they are not perfect, it's not as tho they havn't had plenty of practice lol
You never see splicings out on MW, Trev, or Coutts

[cueman]

Well that's the problem with forums, people can say anything and not worry (too much) about what problems it may cause.
JP shouldn't be selling cues at the high price if they are not perfect, it's not as tho they havn't had plenty of practice lol
You never see splicings out on MW, Trev, or Coutts

But no disrespect to Mike Trev or Dave, they simply couldn't mass produce the amount of cues that JP has to given his popularity and the fact that he has so many orders to get out. If not mistaken all of them have stopped taking orders in the past 12 months in order to be stress free to get on with their work. JP has taken the decision to grow his business with different staff doing different jobs which makes QC much more difficult given that its impossible to overlook every single cue at every stage of manufacture. Some cues will be perfect, some not so, most customers are happy with them whereas some are overly fussy. That is the problem with any business, its impossible to keep everyone happy. I still say that if you are buying a cue for £400+ you are likely to be a good player first and foremost so the cue playability will be the most important factor. However lots of people are now seeing selling cues as a good business so some buyers are now being overly fussy because they are buying the cue as an investment which is another story altogether. There is nothing you can do for these people because they are never satisfied. But when they are you see cues selling for double their worth which I think is what irks the likes of Sanman because he's looking to jump onto the cue making bandwagon.

[narl]

You never see splicings out on MW, Trev, or Coutts

I have, 1 of those makers though not mentioning which.

[cueman]

I have, 1 of those makers though not mentioning which.

So have I too, and others in this list not named like a Mac cue I had last year and a Craftsman and mastercraft cue too. Did I moan, was it important, NO and it never should be if you buy the cue to play with. Plenty of people don't care about splices, its just a minority that do, sadly these people value looks over how the cue plays, they will never see it any other way.