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**billabong** · 27 January 2013, 09:20 PM

More beautiful work Raymond. .

Hobby thing will at least minimise the stress of trying to make a living at it.

Last thing you would want is to stop enjoying doing something that your

obv very good at .

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**jim evans** · 27 January 2013, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by raymo147 View Post

Just some photos of my latest work!
Thought you might be interested!
Both cues sold!!
http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/a...97E8F78CBD.jpg
http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/a...97EF03F973.jpg
http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/a...97FAE33980.jpg
http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/a...98064FDC7E.jpg
http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/a...98161CB88C.jpg
http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/a...9826E80519.jpg
Cue on left single face snakewood thick venneer!
Cue on right four lower Indian rosewood thin white venneer!

Also must say to all that I'm treating this as a hobby as I've tried to make it as my living!
Far too much out lay involved and you constantly need too invest in wood!
Il be back in my taxi part time me thinks!
My pockets just ain't deep enough!
I'm in no position to buy all the exotics required to start taking on orders and
Can only afford bits and bobs!!
Anyway peace n love to the cue lovers.

there that gd you post them twice lol

**raymo147** · 27 January 2013, 09:41 PM

You got it in one mate!!!
Ive put near 10k into this and theres still more to go!
Still no proper electric in my workshop nor a website!
Cant afford bulks of Ebony and quality exotics so need to do it bit by bit!
posted this twice by mistake
how do i delete one???

**raymo147** · 27 January 2013, 09:48 PM

I know Jimbo I'm a muppet!! Lol
Someone help me delete one aaaagggghhhhhh

**cueman** · 27 January 2013, 10:15 PM

I think like many others you need a fair chunk of money behind you to make it as a full time living. Dan Shelton springs to mind! I think you are doing the sensible thing and your work will benefit for it in the long term should the opportunity arrise for you to do it full time again. Better to make a bit of money doing something when you feel like it rather than end up losing out like you did when that order wasn't paid for. I guess that had a lot to do with it?

Nice cues by the way, snakewood looks a beaut.

**raymo147** · 27 January 2013, 10:38 PM

In a way yes! But these things happen.ive still managed to sell nearly all of the cues although its taken longer.
But that's not the main reason. The spending and investment is never ending.
I'm running an extension lead into my workshop from my Mums house which isn't ideal?
Also need a website which is long overdue.
And with the rent,bills and a good bit of debt I feel it's taking my enjoyment away.
I love it no doubt but I'm treating it as a hobby for now and working part time!
Less pressure!
I know understand what the top makers have went through and they deserve every penny for there work.

**bigandyg** · 27 January 2013, 10:50 PM

Agree with you 100% I never did it for a living and always had a full time job.I had next to no competition thirty years ago but now is a different ball game as every bugger is selling cues.My first website I thought was really good but it cost a bit as I could do nothing whatsoever to it.The simple one I have from 1 & 1 is dead easy as even I can change items etc on it so it must be dead simple and it only costs £15 per month and I feel it is well worth it.Feel free to ask me about it any time.

**raymo147** · 27 January 2013, 10:54 PM

Cheers Andy. My first goal is to clear my credit card first lol but I've seen that company advertise.
I'm very impressed with your website and good to see you back.

**crispian jones** · 28 January 2013, 12:17 AM

You are right about the costs raymond

Also i agree that the top reputable cue makers all justify there prices in my book, some dont charge enough

As for the credit card, thank @**? i dont have one anymore

i remenber owing £20,000 after biuldng my pool room and workshop, the cost of my last divorce didnt help at the time either !

**raymo147** · 28 January 2013, 12:29 AM

We're kinda in the same boat I suppose but the work I've seen from you is superb and I know you
Will do well!
You have a unique style and its an art in my opinion.
If I make it my hobby I can enjoy it more and there's less pressure on me.
You and I both know how much the spending list goes on and on and on.
However if its gonna continue then I've decided to not worry so much about it and just invest when I can.
Keep your eyes peeled on Crispians work guys a true talent!!

**hotpot** · 28 January 2013, 12:34 AM

They look very nice Raymo .

**crispian jones** · 28 January 2013, 12:42 AM

There is a big difference between "a hobby" and "a job" !

i can remember when i made the cases as a hobby, i used to love it, it payed for my beer, my fags and all my pool comps

but when i finished my old job and it became my sole income i started to notice the costs more, and analized the hours ect, but thats because i did not realise that there was now my beer, my fags, my pool and the mortgage to pay for

**gazza147** · 28 January 2013, 12:46 AM

Loverly Cues Raymo.

**raymo147** · 28 January 2013, 12:55 AM

Yeas there is a big difference mate but too much p on me to make ends meet and invest at the same time!
We both know how much has to go back into it, so il invest more whenever I can as a hobby!
If it becomes a good living later then il be delighted!
Last I was with Robert Osborne he had just spend 8k on exotics.
Also Trev and Mike will spend fortunes on wood!
Cheers also for the compliments guys.

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