Natural Weighted Cues

[denja]

Just wondered how cue makers are able to achieve a certain balance point and weight when making a cue , without the addition of extra artificial weights in the butt ???.

[jim evans]

A shaft on its own weighs generally between 10 or 11 oz to about 13 or 14 oz,with a plain ebony butt added ,it will weigh about 16-17 1/2 with balance at about 17 in,so its worked out from there.

[denja]

A shaft on its own weighs generally between 10 or 11 oz to about 13 or 14 oz,with a plain ebony butt added ,it will weigh about 16-17 1/2 with balance at about 17 in,so its worked out from there.

Thanks for your info I suppose any fittings Mini Butt 3/4. joint and S.D, Joint would be taken into account must be more simple to make a one piece cue.

[jim evans]

The joints dont weigh that much,a sd joint only a few grams a 3/4 is another couple.

[billabong]

Mine came out at 18.7oz, with a b.p. of 18inches, without any weights/drilling.

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[jrc750]

Mine came out at 18.7oz, with a b.p. of 18inches, without any weights/drilling.

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Was that a 3/4 cue tho ?? ie solid ebony butt means much easier to get a heavier cue

[billabong]

Was that a 3/4 cue tho ?? ie solid ebony butt means much easier to get a heavier cue

Nope, solid Wenge butt, 1 piece ash cue.

[trevs1]

Nope, solid Wenge butt, 1 piece ash cue.

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That is not possible.

If you asked the maker (or person who sold it to you), and if that is what you were told, it's wrong.

I'd put big money on that too.

[ADR147]

Mine came out at 18.7oz, with a b.p. of 18inches, without any weights/drilling.

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it would need to be 75" long then.

[billabong]

That is not possible.

If you asked the maker (or person who sold it to you), and if that is what you were told, it's wrong.

I'd put big money on that too.

I'll take it in to work on Monday & weigh/measure. Maybe additional work done without telling me . .

Does play well though

[trevs1]

Just wondered how cue makers are able to achieve a certain balance point and weight when making a cue , without the addition of extra artificial weights in the butt ???.

The truthful answer is simple.

One piece cues virtually always have weight added (perhaps less so for machine spliced cues). Otherwise they tend to be far too light and 'can' feel somewhat flimsy. Occasionally you will find pieces of ash / maple that are extremely heavy, which once spliced with a very heavy timber, such as some ebonies, snakewood or heavy rosewoods like cocobolo, they can actually weigh a decent amount alone with no additional weight or joints, but that's rare and in no way the norm. Even when you get this scenario, they will so rarely be anywhere near 18oz's it's not even worth mentioning. I am well aware that some makers 'claim' their cues might have no added weight. This claim is especially (and sadly all too often) put forward when a customer asks for their cue to be 'specially' made with no additional weight. Unfortunately, too many people are of the view that a cue with no added weight is going to be better, more natural and free from any 'foreign' material. If you ask for a one piece cue above maybe 16.5oz's to 17oz's, there is practically no way you'll get that without additional weight being used, or keeping the cue the same thickness as a telegraph pole.....That is a fact.

Jointed cues (especially 3/4 cues) are a different story altogether, and by the very nature of how they are made are going to be far heavier. An average 16" long plain ebony 3/4 butt alone, with joint fitted, would perhaps be somewhere in the region of 9.5oz's to 12oz's, depending on weight of the particular piece of ebony, type of joints used and the final size of it. Typically, they tend to be perhaps 10 - 11oz's finished. A 3/4 shaft with short ebony splices of 6" long and joint fitted may weigh between 7.5oz's to 9oz's, and so when that is coupled to the butt, you get a fairly heavy cue.

[jrc750]

I'll take it in to work on Monday & weigh/measure. Maybe additional work done without telling me . .

Does play well though

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One piece cue without weight added will be lucky to reach 16 oz

[trevs1]

I'll take it in to work on Monday & weigh/measure. Maybe additional work done without telling me . .

Does play well though

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I see the butt on that is Wenge. That will be miles lighter than ebony, and so even less likely to have no weight.

Did you ask for the cue to be made "with no weight added".???

[billabong]

I see the butt on that is Wenge. That will be miles lighter than ebony, and so even less likely to have no weight.

Did you ask for the cue to be made "with no weight added".???

No, just asked for my spec, no real special requests. Maybe I just read between the lines and came to the wrong conclusion.

mail contained the words :-

"Now the weight has come out around 18.7 ounces, you wanted 19 ounces. If you want me to weight it up then you will lose the square peg in the butt. Leave it at 18.7 and it can stay with the square showing. It balances at the moment at 18 inches"

I've prob wrongly assumed the square peg was the end of the ash ( foolish boy ).

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[trevs1]

No, just asked for my spec, no real special requests. Maybe I just read between the lines and came to the wrong conclusion.

mail contained the words :-

"Now the weight has come out around 18.7 ounces, you wanted 19 ounces. If you want me to weight it up then you will lose the square peg in the butt. Leave it at 18.7 and it can stay with the square showing. It balances at the moment at 18 inches"

I've prob wrongly assumed the square peg was the end of the ash ( foolish boy ).

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I agree, it was the wording which has confused you. The shaft would have been pre-weighted and this is why you see the square of timber at the base of the butt.

There most definitely is weight in there.

Enjoy your cue.