low deflecting cues

[fakhrie147]

Thank you for your very detailed explanation of the difference between this cue and a ordinary cue. Very informative.

you are welcome

[MikeTheBigMonster]

good cue action and good delivery when striking the CB will give ULD....

and one good advice I overhead a coach correcting his student "if you are not happy with the deflection because of the cue tip, USE THE CUE BUTT INSTEAD!!!"

and it was like LOL DAMN FUNNY

[fakhrie147]

that's correct

[Tiger800]

good cue action and good delivery when striking the CB will give ULD....

and one good advice I overhead a coach correcting his student "if you are not happy with the deflection because of the cue tip, USE THE CUE BUTT INSTEAD!!!"

and it was like LOL DAMN FUNNY

Your giving the cue ball to much credit they really are not smart enough to know that when struck off center if you have a good "action"
they only know speed, angle and point of contact, deflection is a product of the end mass of the cue, the heavier it is the more the initial push off line when striking off center. It wouldn't matter if Ronnie O hit the ball or a club player if they hit it in the same spot with the same speed it will react the same.

[bradwight]

I disagree and feel a good cue action is very relevant. Two players could hit the ball in the same spot at the same speed but one is cueing nice and level and straight, the other has his butt raised and is cueing across the ball. The cue ball will react differently. The angle it's hit into the cloth will obviously affect swerve, my Wooldridge blackspin was useless for playing intentional swerve so good was it's low deflection so would also agree that the cue plays a big part.

[Tiger800]

I disagree and feel a good cue action is very relevant. Two players could hit the ball in the same spot at the same speed but one is cueing nice and level and straight, the other has his butt raised and is cueing across the ball. The cue ball will react differently. The angle it's hit into the cloth will obviously affect swerve, my Wooldridge blackspin was useless for playing intentional swerve so good was it's low deflection so would also agree that the cue plays a big part.

You misread my post "they only know speed, angle and point of contact" again it has nothing to do with cue action that is just a means to an end ie accuracy on the cue ball.

[bradwight]

I do apologise, see what you're saying now. The grip/friction between tip and cue ball is a big factor too. Either way, the more you get used to using one cue the more successful you'll be regardless of the deflection so it shouldn't really bother anyone that much surely? A slight modification to a cue cant be worth the same as thousands of hours of practice.

[Tiger800]

I do apologise, see what you're saying now. The grip/friction between tip and cue ball is a big factor too. Either way, the more you get used to using one cue the more successful you'll be regardless of the deflection so it shouldn't really bother anyone that much surely? A slight modification to a cue cant be worth the same as thousands of hours of practice.

No worries, with lots of practice you will adapt or if you never knew any different you just accept it. Often you see even pro's missing blacks off the spot cause they loaded up with side or catching the long safety too thick or thin because of it, reduced deflection makes it more predictable.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

Deflection is deflection, no matter what or who hits the CB. The results are entirely predictable. Tiger has this right.

No snake oil with LD shafts, they do as intended. Easily verifiable, and there's a wealth of information out there if you know where to look (which I would implore people NOT to do). It's a big deal in American pool, but not snooker/English pool.

[Hello, Mr Big Shot]

good cue action and good delivery when striking the CB will give ULD....

No it won't - makes no difference whatsoever. Intentional/unintentional side is irrelevant - same result, same deflection.

[Tiger800]

Deflection is deflection, no matter what or who hits the CB. The results are entirely predictable. Tiger has this right.

No snake oil with LD shafts, they do as intended. Easily verifiable, and there's a wealth of information out there if you know where to look (which I would implore people NOT to do). It's a big deal in American pool, but not snooker/English pool.

True it is less of an issue with smaller/lighter cue ball and smaller tip size ratio.

[jb134]

my Wooldridge blackspin was useless for playing intentional swerve so good was it's low deflection so would also agree that the cue plays a big part.

I make and repair cues for fun. Not as well as MW. The engineering side interests me. Obviously it's very difficult to be as accurate by hand as with a machine and LD shafts in the 9 ball industry are largely machined.

Here's the thing, a high % of shots are missed by imparting unintentional side on the cue ball. If, as Brad highlights above, these cues limit the effect of side in terms of the path of the cue ball, do we not have a massive game improvement tool at our disposal. In the golf industry the constant mantra is that new clubs are more forgiving but it is more difficult to manoeuvre the ball around with them. Which is what Brad says above.

Is this the death knell of the brass ferrule?

[Tiger800]

I make and repair cues for fun. Not as well as MW. The engineering side interests me. Obviously it's very difficult to be as accurate by hand as with a machine and LD shafts in the 9 ball industry are largely machined.

Here's the thing, a high % of shots are missed by imparting unintentional side on the cue ball. If, as Brad highlights above, these cues limit the effect of side in terms of the path of the cue ball, do we not have a massive game improvement tool at our disposal. In the golf industry the constant mantra is that new clubs are more forgiving but it is more difficult to manoeuvre the ball around with them. Which is what Brad says above.

Is this the death knell of the brass ferrule?

I come from an English family and spent many years living in the UK so I have a unique insight into British culture and I will just say this, when you can leave a town and come back 5 years later and find the same fella sitting on the same bar stool drinking the same pint of bitter you just know you are stuck with the brass ferrule for a long long time lol

PS PM me if you want some info on my own ultralight ferrules.

[jb134]

I come from an English family and spent many years living in the UK so I have a unique insight into British culture and I will just say this, when you can leave a town and come back 5 years later and find the same fella sitting on the same bar stool drinking the same pint of bitter you just know you are stuck with the brass ferrule for a long long time lol

PS PM me if you want some info on my own ultralight ferrules.

That's spooky. I was barred out my local pool league for about eight years. Got let back in at an AGM last year. Went to a few matches and it was the same guys on the same stools a bit fatter and nearer to death from the fags and booze. That was exactly what struck me. It's actually a shame.

[bradwight]

Aye JB it helps make the pots when hitting with unintentional side but the cue ball still acts with the side after contact so still wouldn't help a player who plays with unintentional side as their position goes to pot.