Splices not too far out !

[vmax4steve]

Totally agree with you there,it may well be the best playing cue ever made, but it's not his finest work, and personally I don't think it does him any favours letting things like this through, I don't know how much work goes into fixing something like this, but he's had anything up to three years to get this right, before it was sent out.

It's probably to do with the sheer volume of orders that he has to get out to his customers that this sort of splicing gets the nod.
It could be that only one of the splices was a tad long, needing the other three to be taken off and plane the shaft a bit more before glueing three new ones on. If one splice was a tad short then only that one need be taken off and a new one spliced on. If the scenario I painted in my first post was the case then two splices need to be taken off and the butt planed down to get two new ones to match.
This is all work that takes time and costs with the price of exotic hardwood and labour charges taken into account if the price of the cue is agreed on order. I don't know how the price of the work done and timber used is worked out for Parris cues, but £40 more for some extra ebony and the time taken to hand craft it onto the butt could cut down whatever margins the business needs or wants.

I dare say that a skilled man in Thailand or anywhere could craft handmade cues from a small workshop that are as good as you could buy, but the general reality is cheap labour and mass production in the far east and such a man probably doesn't exist. If you're buying from the far east you're getting something cheap but aesthetically pleasing that's been machined by hand to make it look handmade with no thought given to deforestation, pollution and workers rights.

We in the west have laws about such things to abide by which make our products more expensive, not £500 more expensive I grant you, but that's the capitalist ethos of charging what the customer is prepared to pay rather than making a fair profit. My late grandad used to say that there is enough in the world for everyones need, but not for everyones greed.

[DeanH]

As mentioned before in an earlier post, it appears that these misalignments of splices seem to happen after the cue was sent to JP for alteration.
The cues that have caused mass-discussion and arguments and spiteful language and name-calling (which to me gets boring very quickly - with no-one "winning" on either side) that I have seen are not from first manufacturer, so maybe cues sent in for alteration go through a different process than new cues?
All I will say, if it was my cue sent for alteration and came back like this (and the others I have seen), I would be straight on the phone to the JP shop to arrange return and correction.

[svendh]

227 posts about a piece of ebony beeing to short? you should better spend this time at the table playing snooker

[jrc750]

As mentioned before in an earlier post, it appears that these misalignments of splices seem to happen after the cue was sent to JP for alteration.
The cues that have caused mass-discussion and arguments and spiteful language and name-calling (which to me gets boring very quickly - with no-one "winning" on either side) that I have seen are not from first manufacturer, so maybe cues sent in for alteration go through a different process than new cues?
All I will say, if it was my cue sent for alteration and came back like this (and the others I have seen), I would be straight on the phone to the JP shop to arrange return and correction.

I think you have read the ebay listing incorrectly Dean, the alteration was adding on the lower secondary splices, the main splices are the one's that are out

[DeanH]

I think you have read the ebay listing incorrectly Dean, the alteration was adding on the lower secondary splices, the main splices are the one's that are out

maybe I have then at that

[jrc750]

227 posts about a piece of ebony beeing to short? you should better spend this time at the table playing snooker

Lol maybe you are right, i'm playing tonight tho, not now
Thing is at the end of the day, Ultimates cost the most out of all the cues you can buy, BUT are at the lower end quality wise (in looks, not necessarily play-ability)

[rob s]

Lol maybe you are right, i'm playing tonight tho, not now
Thing is at the end of the day, Ultimates cost the most out of all the cues you can buy, BUT are at the lower end quality wise (in looks, not necessarily play-ability)

I'm sure mike wooldridge vcm are more expensive than JPU actually but at least the splices are almost always perfect on mikes cues

[trevs1]

Prob not his best ultimate not to say it doesn't play as good as his others though

I really am aware I shouldn't chip in on this, and am doing so only out of sheer boredom at the moment while I wait to go out...but.... here goes anyway.

There is absolutely no way ANYONE can claim that ANY CUE, made by ANY MAKER, will play in a definite way with definite characteristics.

If there is anyone reading this that thinks that is untrue, you know less than you think you do....really.

Cues made by any maker, from either ash, maple or numerous other suitable shaft timbers, with any variety of butt timbers, or even no butt timbers at all, can and do play just fine. Of course likewise, in some cases, they will play like a cue made of spaghetti, and at other times like something made by God. It is not a precise science, and there is nothing to suggest that cues carrying ANY BADGE, have any kind of playing advantage over another cue, with a different name badge.

It never ceases to amaze me why people truly believe that a particular maker can and does produce cues that generally outperform cues made by other makers. It isn't the case now, wasn't in the past and will not be in the future.

Over and out.

[itsnoteasy]

Could I ask you Trevor, can you spot a good board when you buy them? Or at what stage do you know the cue or shaft will be a good quality player.

[Ramon]

I'm sure mike wooldridge vcm are more expensive than JPU actually but at least the splices are almost always perfect on mikes cues

yes,As far as I know,, some of them !! depends on which one you choose. and what design you choose. What I paid Mike was more than JP ultimate. I got more than what I paid for !!!!
Craftsmanshap and playability.
But believe it or not, this can happen to any cuemaker. JP is human as all other cuemakers. They can make a mistakes.
But to send this cue in this condition to the customer and Then saying,, is no problem at all, because the cue is a JP CUE and great playeris something Mike or TW would never do !!!!!!
they fix the problem (and they let the cue never leave the work shop in this condition).IMO !!!!!

[Borselino]

I really am aware I shouldn't chip in on this, and am doing so only out of sheer boredom at the moment while I wait to go out...but.... here goes anyway.

There is absolutely no way ANYONE can claim that ANY CUE, made by ANY MAKER, will play in a definite way with definite characteristics.

If there is anyone reading this that thinks that is untrue, you know less than you think you do....really.

Cues made by any maker, from either ash, maple or numerous other suitable shaft timbers, with any variety of butt timbers, or even no butt timbers at all, can and do play just fine. Of course likewise, in some cases, they will play like a cue made of spaghetti, and at other times like something made by God. It is not a precise science, and there is nothing to suggest that cues carrying ANY BADGE, have any kind of playing advantage over another cue, with a different name badge.

It never ceases to amaze me why people truly believe that a particular maker can and does produce cues that generally outperform cues made by other makers. It isn't the case now, wasn't in the past and will not be in the future.

Over and out.

it's all about personal preference I feel. I like Jp cues that's me some prefer your cues and some prefer mike w or other makes. It's like a pair if trainers the top makes all good but personal choice what u like , I prefer adidas but someone else prefer nike. The individual uses what cue he feels suits he/she and that's top and bottom of it . Over and out

[Borselino]

I'm sure mike wooldridge vcm are more expensive than JPU actually but at least the splices are almost always perfect on mikes cues

Have u seen all of mikes cues ! Jp produces a lot more! People seem to love buying Jp on eBay

[Borselino]

well, according to this gentleman
you need a JP CUE to create a 147 break !!!
S Hendry, won seven times world cup. He must give it back
because he did'nt play with jp cue !!!
perhaps John Higgins was aware of that !!

World cup that's football mate

[Borselino]

Lol maybe you are right, i'm playing tonight tho, not now
Thing is at the end of the day, Ultimates cost the most out of all the cues you can buy, BUT are at the lower end quality wise (in looks, not necessarily play-ability)

In your opinion

[jrc750]

In your opinion

No mate, fact