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Originally Posted by jrc750
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That makes it worse, if he is so angry about it, he's stuck it up for some sort of childish revenge, that's not the actions of a rational grown up, that's playground stuff!This is how you play darts ,MVG two nines in the same match!
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This kind of reminds me of the Alain Robidoux situation years back when the cue that he used had a Riley or BCE sticker stuck on the cue as part of some sponsorship deal he had signed for.Originally Posted by jrc750 View Post
He then had a problem with the cue and sent it back to the original cue maker who was so outraged that the cue had a rival sticker on he smashed it to pieces, thus costing Robidoux his career in effect as he never found the same form again and lost his pro tour card.
Most were in agreement that the cue maker was out of order here, yet I get the feeling the way this conversation has gone regarding a similar sort of scenario that suddenly Ding is in the wrong!
Personally if the cue maker is getting his money to produce a cue I really don't see why they have to be so petty about a bloody badge bearing their name. Are they that vein or demanding such attention they need to be seen to be taking credit for the performance of a player with a cue.
I know JP likes to take credit whenever players who use his cues go on to win things but often all you'll here from members on here is that he gives his cues away etc etc. This really smacks of a lot of hypocrisy on this site at times, certain cue makers can do no wrong, others get vilified like JP on a weekly basis because the splice work might be .005mm out.
As mentioned earlier, Ding has a contract with Star, Star is a massive company and major supplier of snooker equipment. With Ding being such a massive marketing icon for the asian market, it wouldn't surprise me if part of that sponsorship deal is that he can't have logos or be associated with other cue makers or snooker suppliers. People overlook contractually how these sports stars have to cover up rival brands and stuff. Its harsh but that is the world we live in today. Dave Coutts will never be a major snooker cupplier like Star and so therefore he should have just accepted the reasons as to why Ding requested what he did and kept it between them. Going public as others have said just made him want to gain attention.Comment
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I think there is nothing much wrong wanting a cue made without a badge - its the buyers preference anyhow.
Ding is famous and he uses a Stamford cue that has no badge either but everyone knows its a Stamford - I am guessing like the above post either he has sponsorship tie ins that state in his contract he must not advertise other products or perhaps he just likes it like this.
It is up to the cue maker at the end of the day - if he makes him a cue he uses it there is nothing to stop him advertising that Ding is using his cue on his site - with or without a badge but I think a small badge is not like a logo on his waist jacket so seems a little pedantic of his sponsors to ask this of him if that is the case.
Saying that there is nothing to stop the buyer buying a cue and removing the badge so just might be his preference.Comment
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Interesting discussion Coutts cue for Ding Junhui!
Completely agree. This goes beyond cues and relates to any buyer seller purchase. People say it's disrespectful when they don't know the reason behind it. But this is a forum and opinions will also vary especially with a close knit forum / game as snookerComment
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Ding just got a cue the other day from Jonathan Lonergan, he never asked for the badge to be left off that cue !
So obviously some other reason behind itComment
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Now this is all getting rather silly
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In the same situation, if the customer is me, and the cue maker refused. Will he tell someone he just refused Fatnew's order?Comment
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Up the TSF! :snooker:Comment
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Originally Posted by fatnew View Poster, I think fatnew meant, if DC refused an order from him, would DC tell the world about it on FB?Originally Posted by ADR147 View Post
my view on all this,
1. a customer can ask
2. a cuemaker can refuse
now to post the refusal and the details of such on FB, freedom of speech - ok; but personally I would not have and another reason why I don't do FaceTwit stuff
Up the TSF! :snooker:Comment
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well, i think he will just delete your email, then. LOL!!!Originally Posted by fatnew View PostComment
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Couldn't agree more. If you don't ask you don't get ☺
Originally Posted by DeanH View PostOriginally Posted by fatnew View Poster, I think fatnew meant, if DC refused an order from him, would DC tell the world about it on FB?Originally Posted by ADR147 View Post
my view on all this,
1. a customer can ask
2. a cuemaker can refuse
now to post the refusal and the details of such on FB, freedom of speech - ok; but personally I would not have and another reason why I don't do FaceTwit stuffComment
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ding has told me that every cue he needed should be without a badge, but i did not tell this to any cue maker who helped me to make it, dave coutts is not reached by me, a training partner in the academy has told the full story to dc, then dc refused, it is normal in my mind, everyone has the right to say no in the trade, rightOriginally Posted by jrc750 View Post
but if the customer is me, i asked dc to make me a cue without badge, will dc refused, or if he refused, will he tell the world this story on facebook? will he?Comment
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I respect your opinion cueman as I respect the opinion of other members. After all, this is a fourm..Originally Posted by cueman View Post
But I'm going to tell you something and I ask u something !!! (hope you don't mind).
There are many people who think that a cuemaker makes cues, just to make money. No doubt about it. These guys have to make money to live.
But I think is not all about money . These guys produce a product and make a cue and there they are proud of it!! They enjoy of it.
Is not all about the money. Is about the feeling.
A few days ago, asked a friend of mine, to replace the tip of his cue (he can'nt do it very well). So, I did it. Believe it or not, when I finished (was a beautiful work,btw), I was proud of what I had done. I gave the cue to him and he was happy. And that gave me a amazing feeling...But Imagine that he ask me: would you like to replace the tip of my cue, but that should remain between us. You may tell no one that you have done it !!! No big deal, but
Despite I have asked him no money, I see that as an insult. Is almost like if he is ashamed for my work!!! that is the way it comes to me !!
I mean, you ask someone like DC, give me the result of a lifelong wek and career without putting your name on it. I mean, this is not like specifications (18 oz or 19 oz.....).. . And that's an insult.
is easy to come here and say, NO big deal.
But just go and stand in the shoes of DC. You would not see such a request as an insult???
And someone like Ding, should know this better. I understand that he has a contract and he stuck on it. But he did'nt have to submit this request in the first place at all !!!!.
What would you say if DC would make this cue for Ding, but not for you ??? Because that's what I would call a hypocrite.
I mean, if you ask DC, make a cue for me without your name on it.
He doesn't do it. He does'nt do it for Ding either. Sorry to say this, but imo he's a cuemaker who treats everyone with same respect.
It may be that Pro's buying no cue's of him in the future . But he is at least fair. And that is the way going on in this world. If you want to be honest you need to choose the hard way. I respect the cue makers such as MW and DC. Those are people who say: there is no difference between you and a pro. You both are people and your money is just as good as the money of a pro.
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