Do any cue makers use English Ash any-more?

[j6uk]

nice little read that vmax

[strobbekoen]

would english ash be more brownish in color ?
try doing a google image search for "english ash", then "english ash color".. quite different results lol

[Stupree]

Do any cue makers use English Ash any-more?

Agreed J6 nice work Vmax, I couldn't be bothered to write that much earlier.

There are some genetic differences in the types of ash which means that certain varieties found in North America and Siberia grow more quickly and as Vmax says straighter due to the cold. One major difference is this type of ash will grow for many meters before any limbs appear resulting in straight grain whereas out English Ash species and climate means that trees tend to form limbs much earlier meaning more twisting grain.

[Stupree]

would english ash be more brownish in color ?
try doing a google image search for "english ash", then "english ash color".. quite different results lol

The colour will vary, its no sure fire indicator

[strobbekoen]

after some research, i found it's all the same species (fraxinus), the difference is where it grows.
english ash - or european ash, from spain to russia - is the same species as american ash - white ash (northern) or swamp ash (southern).

[Byrom]

Some very good replies here - did not know you made cues v-max?

and also sturpee thanks for you explanation - cold climate Ash is the best then generally? But the ty stuff has better chevrons - yet some ty makers are using ash from north American or Siberia too now so how the hell do you know who does what and who buys what wood as Leo said people might be paying 800 pound for a cue made by the other guy down the road using the same wood for a lot less?

I was thinking of trying a few ways of getting the right cue - one of the ways of doing it is finding - sourcing the right piece of ash yourself and then getting it sent off to someone to splice to make a cue or re make an old one in a modern way to my spec if you know what I mean - thought I might try doing this for a change to see if I can get the one like sturpee said - like perpetualboredom and maybe a few other are considering too.

[itsnoteasy]

Turned into a cracking thread , thanks everyone.

[Stupree]

after some research, i found it's all the same species (fraxinus), the difference is where it grows.
english ash - or european ash, from spain to russia - is the same species as american ash - white ash (northern) or swamp ash (southern).

Fraxinus is the genus, each of these is a species of ash within the genus.

[trevs1]

This is one wierd thread. It's a mixture of fact and fiction.

[Byrom]

Fraxinus is the genus, each of these is a species of ash within the genus.

so stu my question is -

What is better - go with the fraxinus to maximum with a maximus the genius selling the ash from a genus near the sea shore or would you get a better bash with his ash and a better ton from a Ton after practicing with a Praxim the genius on genus near his sea shore?

God this Jack Daniels is going down well tonight

[Byrom]

This is one wierd thread. It's a mixture of fact and fiction.

Well feel free to separate the two for us.

[Stupree]

so stu my question is -

What is better - go with the fraxinus to maximum with a maximus the genius selling the ash from a genus near the sea shore or would you get a better bash with his ash and a better ton from a Ton after practicing with a Praxim the genius on genus near his sea shore?

God this Jack Daniels is going down well tonight

Ah yes the Praram-Maximus Paradox.

If an Ash trew fell on a snooker club in a Siberian forest would you get a free ball?

[trevs1]

Well feel free to separate the two for us.

I'll pass on that Byrom, but thanks for the offer.

It's enough to say that great cues could be made from either, or even other timbers for that matter.

Ash can be, and is, variable no matter where it is sourced from. It can be paler, darker, have shades of greenish brown to it or a creamy pinkish shade. It can be harder or softer, heavier or lighter. It's not exactly accurate or realistic to catagorize it simply on the basis of where it grows. Of course, it's "likely" to be a little more consistent from certain areas (or latitudinal regions), but that in itself is no indicator that it "will be" like anything in particular. It can still be good or bad as far as material for cue shafts.

There is no magic involved in English ash, it's still available and is fine for cues. The problem is that it's just not as easy to get what you want if you want the best material for a cue shaft, and for this reason, it tends not to be considered.

If anyone, and I mean anyone, tells you that it's superior in any way shape or form, they are either one of two things.
They are mislead / misinformed themselves, or they stand to profit from getting you to believe it.

[j6uk]

sourcing it cutting it smelling it selling it, its all about the wood

[Stupree]

sourcing it cutting it smelling it selling it, its all about the wood

That's on the shortlist for my gravestone :snooker: