Machine Spliced vs Hand Spliced

[Master Blaster]

okay, i'm sorry, let's go all new labour and say nobody is wrong and everybody is right, well done all

i'm not saying anybody is stupid, just that some very stupid things are being said (and some things are stupid not being said)

some people also have motives for what they are saying and no problem with confusing people, that's wrong

at the end of the day all that really matters is what you believe as in this instance you cannot prove that something doesn't happen if it cannot be proved in the first place - just like ghosts and gods and all

That's a huge pile of crapola there zombie.

[sberry]

have you addressed the fact that 'some of the greats of the game' say it doesn't exist or matter and that it is all in your mind? now what? why did all of the greats of the game say nothing about it until it was miraculously recently noticed?

if you came out with a tip that potted more balls, you will get pros to endorse it

simple answer is to prove it, just set the robot up and show a measurable difference - why is this not done?

think about what you are saying, you think something can make a difference that is so miniscule it doesn't matter, but you can't show or prove it, but it's done by changing a tiny part of a cue that doesn't contact the ball and therefore has more effect than the cue weight or tip size or how the shot is played?

[Master Blaster]

so, you think that by shaving a couple of mils off a small bit of brass (or fibre) that is superglued tight to the end of a 18oz lump of wood and has a variable lump of leather superglued to that will affect end mass and lead to less deflection?

what about cue weight, or tip weight or size or even the weight of the player, how about atmospheric conditions?

there are some cracking wind ups on this thread, top effort all round, unlucky to those who aren't joking

Who are we gonna believe, you the biggest cynic and WUM or someone like Terry who has had hundreds of cues, ferrules and tips and a lifetime of experience as a top player and Master Coach/Examiner. Are you ******* serious?! I'm down with TD every time, he's an expert on cues. He DOES not sell cues, he buys them so he has nothing to gain. His knowledge counts large. All you do is recycle your old lines. YOU have NO evidence to support any of your counter theories; ZERO. I go by empiricism and Terry/MW/Acuerate/ etc have it all. If TD says a shorter ferrule throws less, it does. We all know thinner walled ferrules throw less, or at least I do, as someone who has tipped many cues and had a strike with every one; I know exactly how thick every ferrule is on every cue I tip zombie, by memory. I've played with a cue with no ferrule and it minimises throw the most so I already know that the more brass you add, the more throw; endmass.

You're the one with fairy stories not backed up by any research. Show me the evidence to support YOUR assertions punk.

[sberry]

seriously mate, if you can't prove it exists, it doesn't need to be disproved, Terry Griffiths has a different opinion to you and others but if you want to believe in something you cannot prove, crack on

coaches sell coaching lessons, did you see that side, no? you need another lesson

it does exist in your mind though, that's a fact

[Ramon]

Sigh.... Neither you or the other zombie have addressed the fact that some of the greats in the game have spoken in support of them. Do you think they lied for money? Are you man enough to make that claim? None of them said you can't play well with brass.

As u see Mark Selby speak in support of Riley Elegance ( in this video ).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGM-E3TbPFY

have you ever seen mark playing in a tournament with Riley Elegance ??? does this means that Riley Elegance is the best snooker cue ??

some of the greats in the game have spoken in support of them ???? which one was it ? Steve Davis?? the one who got 6 world titles plus more than 35 ranking tournaments with brass ferrul ??

I've played with MW cue. was one of the best cues that I have ever owned and played with . Also played with predator Z2 shafts with Synt ferrule ( great players ). No one is saying, you can'nt play with another type of ferrule. As long as the cue suits your game, you can play with any cue!!
But the fact is, deflection,, is caused by the shaft (wood).
and the poor technique of the player!!
each wood has its own character and deflect differently !! that's one of the reasons why every cue plays differently!! This has nothing to do with Ferrule!!
and the main thing is: your errors in the game of snooker and art of cueing,, has nothing to with ferrule / cue / or ... but has everything t do with ur arm and urself !!

[j6uk]

or it doesn't.. btw are you talking about terry griffithis or our own tel?

Who are we gonna believe, you the biggest cynic and WUM or someone like Terry who has had hundreds of cues, ferrules and tips and a lifetime of experience as a top player and Master Coach/Examiner. Are you ******* serious?! I'm down with TD every time, he's an expert on cues. He DOES not sell cues, he buys them so he has nothing to gain. His knowledge counts large. All you do is recycle your old lines. YOU have NO evidence to support any of your counter theories; ZERO. I go by empiricism and Terry/MW/Acuerate/ etc have it all. If TD says a shorter ferrule throws less, it does. We all know thinner walled ferrules throw less, or at least I do, as someone who has tipped many cues and had a strike with every one; I know exactly how thick every ferrule is on every cue I tip zombie, by memory. I've played with a cue with no ferrule and it minimises throw the most so I already know that the more brass you add, the more throw; endmass.

You're the one with fairy stories not backed up by any research. Show me the evidence to support YOUR assertions punk.

[eaoin11]

LOL .... I think that'll do me for this thread guys, have fun!

[strobbekoen]

As u see Mark Selby speak in support of Riley Elegance ( in this video ).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGM-E3TbPFY

have you ever seen mark playing in a tournament with Riley Elegance ??? does this means that Riley Elegance is the best snooker cue ??

some of the greats in the game have spoken in support of them ???? which one was it ? Steve Davis?? the one who got 6 world titles plus more than 35 ranking tournaments with brass ferrul ??

I've played with MW cue. was one of the best cues that I have ever owned and played with . Also played with predator Z2 shafts with Synt ferrule ( great players ). No one is saying, you can'nt play with another type of ferrule. As long as the cue suits your game, you can play with any cue!!
But the fact is, deflection,, is caused by the shaft (wood).
and the poor technique of the player!!
each wood has its own character and deflect differently !! that's one of the reasons why every cue plays differently!! This has nothing to do with Ferrule!!
and the main thing is: your errors in the game of snooker and art of cueing,, has nothing to with ferrule / cue / or ... but has everything t do with ur arm and urself !!

[Leo]

Who are we gonna believe, you the biggest cynic and WUM or someone like Terry who has had hundreds of cues, ferrules and tips and a lifetime of experience as a top player and Master Coach/Examiner. Are you ******* serious?! I'm down with TD every time, he's an expert on cues. He DOES not sell cues, he buys them so he has nothing to gain. His knowledge counts large. All you do is recycle your old lines. YOU have NO evidence to support any of your counter theories; ZERO. I go by empiricism and Terry/MW/Acuerate/ etc have it all. If TD says a shorter ferrule throws less, it does. We all know thinner walled ferrules throw less, or at least I do, as someone who has tipped many cues and had a strike with every one; I know exactly how thick every ferrule is on every cue I tip zombie, by memory. I've played with a cue with no ferrule and it minimises throw the most so I already know that the more brass you add, the more throw; endmass.

You're the one with fairy stories not backed up by any research. Show me the evidence to support YOUR assertions punk.

Define what you mean when you say he's "excellent on cues" not quite getting this quote, actually I don't believe this actually exists unless we are talking someone who actually makes cues themselves ie TW,MW,TG,DC.

[trevs1]

Blimey.....This thread is hilarious.

[j6uk]

educate us man, you can start anywhere you like

Blimey.....This thread is hilarious.

[Leo]

Blimey.....This thread is hilarious.

Funny as in people are talking bollox or funny in only fools and horses funny.

[trevs1]

@ J6...It's not up to me to educate anyone, and besides, I would not claim I could.

@ Leo... Both.

[vmax4steve]

I bought an old John Spencer machine spliced cue on this forum a few months ago and I've hand spliced a new walnut butt onto it, in between the old machine splices, so in theory it has the characteristics of both or maybe neither.

Could this cue in the hands of a top century break player finally put an end to this argument ???

It does have a nice shaft but a brass ferrule BTW so for some it's gonna deflect like crazy while for others it won't.

[denja]

Glad we have got this thread back on track to the original post.