Ultimate order finally in progress!

[Leo]

RoGi how did your review go on the ultimate you got?

[Leo]

whenever I hear or see the words jp or ultimate I inwardly chuckle,dont people do their homework?. I recently bought an android tv box and spent days researching pros and cons of each make before I bought one, I joined many forums and looked at the posts before I made my mind up. I know its not the same as cues but I found out that more dosh don't mean you get more bang for your bucks

Spot on a £700 cue built by an English cuemaker isn't going to play any better then a £250 cue done by a Thai cuemaker. Like we've said before playability of a cue don't sell cues it's what's on the badge.

[jrc750]

Spot on a £700 cue built by an English cuemaker isn't going to play any better then a £250 cue done by a Thai cuemaker. Like we've said before playability of a cue don't sell cues it's what's on the badge.

Thing is tho Leo I think cheapest Ultimate is way over £950 now!

[David Pleym]

Yup

When I placed my order 15 months ago it was £1400 with a patchwork case mind you and the cue itself was about £965!
I've accepted that's it's supply and demand situation though I would be fairy miffed if I knew it wasn't on a first come first served basis! I know my JPU won't be made by the man himself and sometimes I've thought I would be better off trying to pick up and older second hand one which would have stood a better chance of being made by John himself. But then the prices some people want for second hand are ridiculous. I'm buying one because I've always wanted one and if it turns out I can't get on with it and I decide to sell it I won't be asking silly money! I'll sell it at a fair price to someone who hopefully I can tell is passionate about the game and owning one.

[cueman]

It's a good question .
Not everyone order a parris cue to play with it . Sum order one Or 2 Or even more for business purposes .
To sell it an make sum prft !!
especially in China and Far East , u can sell them very fast . especially JP Ultimate .
But for Sumone who wants to play snooker , it's a very long waiting time indeed .

This is the real reason as to the long waiting lists. Too many people believe in all these conspiracy theories as to why the waiting lists are so long without giving any thought as to why that might be.

There has been an explosion of interest in the best handmade English cues from China over the past few years and this has meant hundreds of cues are ordered at a time from agents. Now I'm not naive enough to think that JP does his orders based on when they were placed. It makes business sense that if you have a hundred individual orders or one customer ordering 100 cues, you are going to give priority to the 100 cues first. This is why the order book keeps getting put back IMO.

When I and others on here placed their orders back in 2012 I distinctly remember the waiting time to be at 40-50 weeks for a 1pc Ultimate. I was prepared to wait that long as other cue makers at the time like TW had a similar waiting time. DC and Robin Cook at the time were longer I believe but I'd played with a JP traditional for over 15 years so I felt comfortable replacing that with the best JP had to offer.
Had I known back then that the wait was going to be well over 3 years I'd have never placed the order, and I doubt most others wouldn't either. So it really irks me when people say that you must be mad waiting that long for a cue like it was out of choice!

JP unlike other cue makers is an employer though, he can't just close his order book as that wouldn't look good for business. TW, DC and other one man bands can afford to take that risk, they only have to cover their own expenses and they know that their reputation won't be slagged on the internet by making that decision.
Sadly JP gets criticised more than any other cue maker and if he did close his order book it would start another discussion and more criticism. Its his success that sadly breeds this jealousy and hatred towards him because its what many people do in the UK when they see someone being successful. Time to close this thread now mods, its been done to death time and time again and serves no purpose other than another anti JP bashing.

[golferson123]

if we closed threads that have been done before then it would be an empty forum.

[guernseygooner]

This is the real reason as to the long waiting lists. Too many people believe in all these conspiracy theories as to why the waiting lists are so long without giving any thought as to why that might be.

There has been an explosion of interest in the best handmade English cues from China over the past few years and this has meant hundreds of cues are ordered at a time from agents. Now I'm not naive enough to think that JP does his orders based on when they were placed. It makes business sense that if you have a hundred individual orders or one customer ordering 100 cues, you are going to give priority to the 100 cues first. This is why the order book keeps getting put back IMO.

When I and others on here placed their orders back in 2012 I distinctly remember the waiting time to be at 40-50 weeks for a 1pc Ultimate. I was prepared to wait that long as other cue makers at the time like TW had a similar waiting time. DC and Robin Cook at the time were longer I believe but I'd played with a JP traditional for over 15 years so I felt comfortable replacing that with the best JP had to offer.
Had I known back then that the wait was going to be well over 3 years I'd have never placed the order, and I doubt most others wouldn't either. So it really irks me when people say that you must be mad waiting that long for a cue like it was out of choice!

JP unlike other cue makers is an employer though, he can't just close his order book as that wouldn't look good for business. TW, DC and other one man bands can afford to take that risk, they only have to cover their own expenses and they know that their reputation won't be slagged on the internet by making that decision.
Sadly JP gets criticised more than any other cue maker and if he did close his order book it would start another discussion and more criticism. Its his success that sadly breeds this jealousy and hatred towards him because its what many people do in the UK when they see someone being successful. Time to close this thread now mods, its been done to death time and time again and serves no purpose other than another anti JP bashing.

So how do you feel with ridiculous waiting times across all the ranges and yours being one, that he has time and shafts to bring out a completely new range?

[cueman]

if we closed threads that have been done before then it would be an empty forum.

I'm not advocating closing all discussions but there are literally hundreds of threads about JP, the majority of them negative. IS this really fair?

[cueman]

So how do you feel with ridiculous waiting times across all the ranges and yours being one, that he has time and shafts to bring out a completely new range?

Its JP's business at the end of the day, he can do what he likes. Once I get my cue I don't expect to deal with him ever again.

[RogiBear]

RoGi how did your review go on the ultimate you got?

Not actually played with it all that much yet or indeed any cue sports recently. I've only had about 30-40 mins with it so far. Popping out for a couple of hours this afternoon. First impressions; played ok with a nice balance, not sure about the smaller ferrule size as I've been using ~ 10mm for 18 months. Will have to invest some time into it.

[Byrom]

Its JP's business at the end of the day, he can do what he likes. Once I get my cue I don't expect to deal with him ever again.

Well except to send it back when the ash is rubbish the spec is wrong and the splices un-even

(jk)

[Shockerz]

think the shafts only got delivered the other day too...

Not from here were they?

http://www.woodscues.com/collections...ted-ash-shafts

Didn't realise you could get blanks of the top 3/4; how naive am I.

[Ramon]

This is the real reason as to the long waiting lists. Too many people believe in all these conspiracy theories as to why the waiting lists are so long without giving any thought as to why that might be.

There has been an explosion of interest in the best handmade English cues from China over the past few years and this has meant hundreds of cues are ordered at a time from agents. Now I'm not naive enough to think that JP does his orders based on when they were placed. It makes business sense that if you have a hundred individual orders or one customer ordering 100 cues, you are going to give priority to the 100 cues first. This is why the order book keeps getting put back IMO.

When I and others on here placed their orders back in 2012 I distinctly remember the waiting time to be at 40-50 weeks for a 1pc Ultimate. I was prepared to wait that long as other cue makers at the time like TW had a similar waiting time. DC and Robin Cook at the time were longer I believe but I'd played with a JP traditional for over 15 years so I felt comfortable replacing that with the best JP had to offer.
Had I known back then that the wait was going to be well over 3 years I'd have never placed the order, and I doubt most others wouldn't either. So it really irks me when people say that you must be mad waiting that long for a cue like it was out of choice!

JP unlike other cue makers is an employer though, he can't just close his order book as that wouldn't look good for business. TW, DC and other one man bands can afford to take that risk, they only have to cover their own expenses and they know that their reputation won't be slagged on the internet by making that decision.
Sadly JP gets criticised more than any other cue maker and if he did close his order book it would start another discussion and more criticism. Its his success that sadly breeds this jealousy and hatred towards him because its what many people do in the UK when they see someone being successful. Time to close this thread now mods, its been done to death time and time again and serves no purpose other than another anti JP bashing.

It's true . i do agree with u on that one !!
JP is a great cue maker with more than 30 years of experience. the problem is that still many people do belive that all those cues re made by JP himself . but at the end of the day , it's thr money and thr choice.
The idea that a cue brand (JP or any other cue ..) is the best or the worst cue, is a stupid idea. ( not saying u mentioned that , speaking in general ). I've seen sum JP ultimates an they were made to the perfection with great playblty . I've also seen sum of them which was very poor ( in terms of playblty an craftsmnsp ) as i've seen cues from other brands ( thai or uk ) with the same story .
As already mentioned by other members, he has time and shafts to bring out a completely new range. It's true , it's JP's bussines . but i can imagine sum of the costumers would'nt happy with that an imo it's not fair to them. ( specially people who're waiting a long time ).

[David Pleym]

Forgot about the new range he just brought out! Damn!!
As it was highlighted he does run a business and likely employs more staff in production than just about any other UK maker but he is so popular that closing his books for a bit to play catch up with back orders surely wouldn't hurt him that much and besides as long as snooker remains popular globally with a burgeoning fat eastern market his business will still do well as he is still gonna be the no 1 go to guy in many people's eyes.