Ton Praram 111

[jrc750]

Luckily too short (for my bank balance)

[smythe]

Lovely looking cues, but I'm looking at a 60 inch cue. So I think it's going to be a custom job. Unless I get lucky

[EZ_4_U_OK]

John, if your looking for something longer that's a bit special and price is no issue, then I have this amazing Tony Glover Custom Multispliced Cocobolo 1 Pce Ash - Specs are : 57 3/4", 9.4mm, 17oz, 30mm, 16 1/2" balance point. Again in stunning condition with a silky smooth shaft...

You can view it here : https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resi...t=folder%2cJPG

£460 + delivery


EZ

[jrc750]

I need 58" 18oz 9.8 ish, just fancied a Ton cue Beyond series to try

[EZ_4_U_OK]

Ok John, I have this very old John Parris Champion cue that's plays fantastic !

It has an old school mature stiff and powerful honey coloured glossy shaft, with fantastic forward balance. Actually feels like a 1 piece cue when striking through the cue ball...

Specs are: 58" long, 9.8mm tip, 18.5oz, 30mm, jointed @16", 17 1/4" balancing point. SD joint fitted.

Can be viewed here: https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resi...t=folder%2cjpg

£450 + delivery


EZ

[jrc750]

Great specs but i'm a one piece cue man now

[EZ_4_U_OK]

Lovely looking cues, but I'm looking at a 60 inch cue. So I think it's going to be a custom job. Unless I get lucky

60" cue, that's not a cue it's a fishing rod

Your arms must be exceedingly long, as I've never heard of anyone needing a 60" cue?


EZ

[DeanH]

60" cue, that's not a cue it's a fishing rod

Your arms must be exceedingly long, as I've never of anyone needing a 60" cue?


EZ

easy there Karl, already been through this on two other threads :biggrin:

[EZ_4_U_OK]

LOL Dean, I think to have a cue made over 58" long, it wouldn't be easy to find the right shaft density or the correct taper and balance for it to play properly !


EZ

[j6uk]

for me its not the about the wood or weighting the cue but getting the prportions of the cue right. this is why 58.5-59 is more reasonable for a cue that got all the shots, you dont really want your bridge or cue hand to be moving too much

[vmax4steve]

LOL Dean, I think to have a cue made over 58" long, it wouldn't be easy to find the right shaft density or the correct taper and balance for it to play properly !


EZ

Not at all, my 61 & 1/2 inch ash cue is perfectly balanced, tapered to suit the extra length and plays great, when I'm in the mood that is.
Also have a maple one the same length that's pretty good, put a new Grand medium tip on it yesterday and I'm quite impressed by it, very responsive, can really feeling it biting into the cue ball.

[smythe]

You shud see how long my fishing rods are lol, could proberly get away with a 59 - 59.5 need to see a expert who can advise me what length I need.

[markz]

Not at all, my 61 & 1/2 inch ash cue is perfectly balanced, tapered to suit the extra length and plays great, when I'm in the mood that is.
Also have a maple one the same length that's pretty good, put a new Grand medium tip on it yesterday and I'm quite impressed by it, very responsive, can really feeling it biting into the cue ball.

How tall are you Steve? Maybe you could help Smythe decide what length of cue would be ok for him.

[smythe]

I'm 6'3 and a half but I been told there are a lot more factors involved.

[EZ_4_U_OK]

I'm 6'3 and a half but I been told there are a lot more factors involved.

Ok, first I will need to declare that I'm a professional coach, and yes you are correct, height actually has nothing to do with the ideal cue length etc... as far as to say that usually tall people have longer arms and wider chests, so in general need a longer cue, but that isn't always the case.

There is an optimum or ideal cue length, but before it's possible to ascertain it, the player first needs to be down in the correct playing / cueing position on the shot. Meaning correct footwork, front arm stretched out at the correct distance, shoulders rotated into the correct position and rear elbow and forearm in their correct position and angle respectively.

Only then it's possible to feed in the correct distance of cue overhang, which varies slightly upon 3 different factors, and measure / tape off the correct positioning, where the grip hand's front 2 knuckles need to be holding the cue relative to the rear forearm starting postion / angle.

I don't want to give away too much or go into it too deeply, other than to say that all other things being equal, the relative length of the rear forearm does have a proportional effect on the length of cue required. With this method both the optimum and longest measurement of cue length required can be calculated.

Having said this, once you know the ideal cue length that is only one half of the equation solved, the other half is finding a good cue with that length / spec etc. Quite often it's easier to find a good cue within an approximate length / tolerance, than to have a custom cue made to your own optimum / perfect length.

For example, I knew a pro here in the Midlands back in the 90's who was one of the tallest guys on the circuit, yet he used a very short cue proportionally for his height and reach. The truth was he had a really good cue that played really well, and also very good timing, and had adapted his body position on the shot to accommodate it. As a result he played amazing with that particular cue, even though technically it was way too short for him.

In converse, I often see many people struggle with cues that are basically too long or too heavy for them, so keep that in mind !


EZ