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[jrc750]

Yep, that's why there are cue makers in this country ordering cues from Thailand, sticking badges on and making 800 quid profit on each one.

I assume you have some proof of this ?

[itsnoteasy]

Yep, that's why there are cue makers in this country ordering cues from Thailand, sticking badges on and making 800 quid profit on each one.

I don't know anything about that ,I was on about say the JP Ultimates you see for crazy money on eBay etc, how much is an Ultimate? £900 and they can go for £12-1300 on the bay , easy money.

[Big Splash!]

I don't know anything about that ,I was on about say the JP Ultimates you see for crazy money on eBay etc, how much is an Ultimate? £900 and they can go for £12-1300 on the bay , easy money.

JP is legit. Crap cues but legit. If JVC wants to know who, he can message Neil. We all know it goes on now. Even JP knows there's fakers on our shores up to it and he said so on this video.

But yeah, we've got hoggers ordering 5 JPUs at a time and flogging them on. JP needs to stop the cue traders doing this. It's legal but immoral. Folk shouldn't have to wait 5 yrs because of these guys. But they shouldn't be ordering a JPU full stop. :biggrin-new: Same with folk paying 800 for a trev on ebay. Jesus, I know someone who can make a better playing cue for 200.

[jrc750]

JP is legit. Crap cues but legit. If JVC wants to know who, he can message Neil. We all know it goes on now. Even JP knows there's fakers on our shores up to it and he said so on this video.

But yeah, we've got hoggers ordering 5 JPUs at a time and flogging them on. JP needs to stop the cue traders doing this. It's legal but immoral. Folk shouldn't have to wait 5 yrs because of these guys. But they shouldn't be ordering a JPU full stop. :biggrin-new: Same with folk paying 800 for a trev on ebay. Jesus, I know someone who can make a better playing cue for 200.

So is JP legit because he "said" he is ?
Not many makers have prices where £800 profit is available, so are you saying Exquisite, or Coutts maybe ?
So what are saying makes Trev's cues not good player's then ?

[jimmymoller]

Yeah, we don't want honest Cue Makers in this country making good cues and a decent living. Let's all be tight arses, run the country into the ground and exploit Thai workers on peanuts. Bravo!

Who is exploiting who here The thai guy is asking £800 for a simlar cue to my £200 one that i can have made in the uk for £400 !

@Molly, don't have a laff mate, yam a yam-yam dingo and you know it.

Wulfrunian pal. New cross Hospital 12/8/57 Lomgest baby at the time ever recorded there at 22" must have been because l was concieved in a bed made of swamp ash with it's magical properties. Jimmy moller is just an alias. you should know all about them things.

The 'Queens English', what a load of tripe. No Queens have ever been resident or spoken with Black Country accents. York maybe, London and the South yes. The Midlands; you are full of chitterlings bruv. :biggrin-new:

Where the hell did i say the Queen lives in the Black Country or speaks English with a Black Country Accent? The phrase: " The Queens English" as i said was made up by the bbc they needed an accent the whole of the country could understand and chose the Oxford accent. However the accent that is the oldest english accent and thus considered to be nearest to olde english is the black country dialect. Where the Queens of England have lived is irrelevent.[/quote]

Crispian still uses Thai shafts on his cues, except for the Signature editions, whose shafts he makes himself but they cost a bit more as well. He's an honest cue maker who has never hidden from the truth so don't besmirch him; he's a great TSF member as well. Jason, god knows, probably still using Thai shafts. Some Guru he was. Bhat guru maybe.

I've known Crispian years, . Jason i dont know other than for his posts on the tsf. I aint knocking either of them one bit. As for the rest you wrote in that post I've already explained Mollers an alias.

Now go back to school on monday but this time try to learn something please, English especially.

[jimmymoller]

Yep, that's why there are cue makers in this country ordering cues from Thailand, sticking badges on and making 800 quid profit on each one. But they're not the honest ones making em by hand for 300.

Could have sworn you liked Crispen now your knockin him. make your mind up muppet

[jimmymoller]

oh yeah I forgot to say, I looked it up the amount I actually paid for it back in November.
One piece Cue, £150 including a mini butt and a telescopic extension with a halo type case. £200
Customs added 20% VAT and Royal Mail added a further £8 for what they call an international fee (they effectively are the customs, they pay the vat and I have to pay it and the £8 fee to collect the cue.)
They did not bother with any import duty, not worth it I don't think as it's only 2.7 or 3%v I forget now.

total £223 (yeah I know it should have been £248 I can add up too) but they did not declare the true cost. Vat was added at 20% of the declared cost.

That declared thing they do can be bad news though. If a customs officer reckons its worth far more they can and often do just send it back.

[markz]

oh yeah I forgot to say, I looked it up the amount I actually paid for it back in November.
One piece Cue, £150 including a mini butt and a telescopic extension with a halo type case. £200
Customs added 20% VAT and Royal Mail added a further £8 for what they call an international fee (they effectively are the customs, they pay the vat and I have to pay it and the £8 fee to collect the cue.)
They did not bother with any import duty, not worth it I don't think as it's only 2.7 or 3%v I forget now.

total £223 (yeah I know it should have been £248 I can add up too) but they did not declare the true cost. Vat was added at 20% of the declared cost.

That declared thing they do can be bad news though. If a customs officer reckons its worth far more they can and often do just send it back.

Fellow Wulfrunian here mate. What make was this cue? So many Asian companies set up now it's hard to keep track.

[jimmymoller]

Hiya Markz, I'll pm you.

[billabong]

I believe Jason did, himself, admit to using about half a dozen Thai-sourced shafts in his very early days, he contacted those owners and he said they were happy to stay with what they have.
What his practises are nowadays, don't know and don't care

I think it's closer to the truth to say that Jason admitted to sticking a badge on, and finishing some complete thai cues ( ash with ebony butts ? ).

After that, and including today, he is transparent enough to say

" I source materials from around the world, selecting the best materials so that the end result is the best possible quality",

so I presume that means his shafts are from somewhere outwith his workshop ?

Here it is, ref page 18, post #175

http://www.thesnookerforum.co.uk/boa...ighlight=jason

[markz]

Hiya Markz, I'll pm you.

Cheers Jimmy

[itsnoteasy]

oh yeah I forgot to say, I looked it up the amount I actually paid for it back in November.
One piece Cue, £150 including a mini butt and a telescopic extension with a halo type case. £200
Customs added 20% VAT and Royal Mail added a further £8 for what they call an international fee (they effectively are the customs, they pay the vat and I have to pay it and the £8 fee to collect the cue.)
They did not bother with any import duty, not worth it I don't think as it's only 2.7 or 3%v I forget now.

total £223 (yeah I know it should have been £248 I can add up too) but they did not declare the true cost. Vat was added at 20% of the declared cost.

That declared thing they do can be bad news though. If a customs officer reckons its worth far more they can and often do just send it back.

That's a very good price for a multi spliced cue, what are the halo type cases like? I have seen them advertised and they look pretty good in the pictures but they can be deceiving.

[jimmymoller]

To be honest I have not in real life seen a halo case only pics. I'm 99.9999% certain though they are the same but without you having to walk round like an advert for Peradon as their logos aint on them.

[Shockerz]

I think it's closer to the truth to say that Jason admitted to sticking a badge on, and finishing some complete thai cues ( ash with ebony butts ? ).

After that, and including today, he is transparent enough to say

" I source materials from around the world, selecting the best materials so that the end result is the best possible quality",

so I presume that means his shafts are from somewhere outwith his workshop ?

Here it is, ref page 18, post #175

http://www.thesnookerforum.co.uk/boa...ighlight=jason

I must have missed this. So Jason receives pre-tapered multi chevroned ash blanks and then adds splices?

In addition to this, Thai shafts are available to purchase in this country? Where's that then?

Must have completely missed this thread if I've read this correctly.

[markz]

I must have missed this. So Jason receives pre-tapered multi chevroned ash blanks and then adds splices?

In addition to this, Thai shafts are available to purchase in this country? Where's that then?

Must have completely missed this thread if I've read this correctly.

Think ADR had some for sale on eBay a while back.