Tony glover - Copy right infringement?

[chunkis]

Hi guys, I was just wondering if anybody knows what the story is with tony glover making replica cues and selling them, is that not the same as making fake nike runners and selling them?

Am not trying to be funny here or try and catch tony out or get him into any trouble, I think his work is top notch, it was just a thought and it got me thinking about what the laws are in regards to making exact replicas of a cue brand.

[IL147]

What's the diff between fake and replica?

[chunkis]

A fake would be a copy of an original product made by a third party manufacturer, in this case tony glover making replica cues of the original Burroughs and watts cues. A copy of anything original is called a replica, its a reproduction of something that's not made by the original manufacturer.

[Triedandtested]

Tony is not selling the cues as if they were originals. The buyer knows they are a copy. Its when the seller claims they are original when it's illegal.

A true craftsman is Tony & I would go as far as saying he's top of the pile when it comes to quality cues.

[jonny66]

It would only be a problem if he was badging them as Bourroughs and Watts or whatever. Almost everything you buy these days is a replica of something, and modern hoover you buy for instance, will basically be a replica of a Dyson.

[jrc750]

It would only be a problem if he was badging them as Bourroughs and Watts or whatever. Almost everything you buy these days is a replica of something, and modern hoover you buy for instance, will basically be a replica of a Dyson.

Err he does badge them as Burroughs & Watts tho ??

[jonny66]

Err he does badge them as Burroughs & Watts tho ??

Ah, I didn't know that I guess he could be in some bother then. Even though he is making it clear they are replicas, there's nothing to stop someone else selling it on as the real thing. Not sure there's much money in it though.

[perpetualboredom]

Except that Tony's cost much more than originals.
My issue is selling a 30 quid badge and you've got a ye olde ash worth 400...

[old school]

Burroughs and Watts ceased trading in 1967 , even if copyright existed to protect their designs / patterns , then maybe copyright duration has expired e.g. music or lyrics having 50 year copyright protection . Tony makes replicas , mostly , for people wanting a modern playing cue that looks like an older pattern e.g a Burwat Champion replica with a modern taper , because it is difficult to find an original Burwat Champion thats a " player " . The problem occurs , as perpetual pointed out , when someone knowingly sells a replica as an original . A Eureka replica from Tony would probably cost north of £400 , but an original could be had for £150 -£250 , but might not be a player , so why sell a copy for less than you pay . The answer is simple , you buy a plain Ebony cue off e-bay for £25 , you pay someone £75 - £100 to quad splice Tulip wood on the butt , you then get a Eureka replica badge made , £30 - £40 , then have a weght stamp put on . Then you find some mug who doesnt know what they are looking at to buy it as an original for , upto , a profit of £120 - £150 &&&&&&nd thats what perpetual and myself get annoyed about . Its not Tonys fault if someone sells a replica as an original or doctors a similar looking cue with a new badge , as often happens with Ye Olde Ash , it is the unscrupulous **** who does it that is to blame .

[guernseygooner]

Glover cues are top quality. I'd be more worried with someone who has an original trying to pass it off as a Glover replica!

[jrc750]

.... . A Eureka replica from Tony would probably cost north of £400 , but an original could be had for £150 -£250 ...... .

Where are you seeing these for those price then ??? last few ive seen have been north of £600 ??

[old school]

Historically I have seen Eurekas for this figure & the last Eureka replica on e-bay as at 31 st July was £325 Buy It Now or best offer . You know that e-bay and Pay Pal fees can run at 20 % and have final value fees , so that brings it down towards my figures , even if some one paid the full £325. Its a strange market atm , jrc , people will only pay what the market dictates .

[the lone wolf]

First of all information has to be formally recognised by the original designer and / or manufacturer in the form of a patented or trademarked design. Without anyone of these one can assume the secondary use of the design is ok.

21st Century ownership of an original idea is vague to say the least, especially with the Chinese market able to copy anything from a phone to a car without any kind of formal acknowledgement to the original designer(s) or manufacturer(s).

In the case mentioned above, unless the original designer of the cue can prove his or her work and objects to its use, then issues may occur. But some how I doubt any of this would be the case.

In other words, the cue maker involved has been astute in their market research and found a successful way of recreating an original idea without necessarily being in breech of any copyright, patent or trademark laws. :snooker:

[perpetualboredom]

Historically I have seen Eurekas for this figure & the last Eureka replica on e-bay as at 31 st July was £325 Buy It Now or best offer . You know that e-bay and Pay Pal fees can run at 20 % and have final value fees , so that brings it down towards my figures , even if some one paid the full £325. Its a strange market atm , jrc , people will only pay what the market dictates .

Up and down but I don't know anyone who'd consider selling me a Eureka right now under 400 quid even at mate rates, their values tend to be on the up.
To be honest I've seen more YOA and Eureka cues with Tony's badges (or rather that I believe to have) than I have original. As to what the original badge was, if it even had one , I have no idea! What do you tell people who've spend top money on those cues? - Easier to say nothing as it's only my opinion I'm not always right as you can see by some of the !!!! I've picked up along the way!

[old school]

Caveat emptor is the answer to that question , Mike , sorry but it is what it is . Personally I would ask someone such as Mr. Smith or Mr. Hunter for general cues , Mr.Tilly for Rileys , yourself and Chris for J.D s and if I am still not sure , then my money stays in my pocket . The problem as I see it is that there will always be someone , somewhere who wants to make a fast buck through some one elses ignorance about or desire for a particular cue . Sad but true my friend , sad but true.